Home phone extension wiring

DVardysShadow

spottedray wrote: »

What a load of rubbish this all is. As an experiment earlier tonight I pulled off my master socket face plate with idc terminals (not nte5, one from the pound shop) and wired the incoming into 2+5 about 20 times not only with an idc tool but a credit card and hey presto I'm writing to you now. I yanked the wires out and then pressed them back in. No static, broadband speeds consistent, what a load of mystical rubbish.

Apparently, you can go to sea in a sieve. The Jumblies did - and they came back 20 years later.

The Jumblies

They went to sea in a Sieve, they did,
In a Sieve they went to sea:
In spite of all their friends could say,
On a winter's morn, on a stormy day,
In a Sieve they went to sea!
And when the Sieve turned round and round,
And every one cried, `You'll all be drowned!'
They called aloud, `Our Sieve ain't big,
But we don't care a button! we don't care a fig!
In a Sieve we'll go to sea!'
Far and few, far and few,
Are the lands where the Jumblies live;
Their heads are green, and their hands are blue,
And they went to sea in a Sieve.


It must be true, it's on the Internet: http://www.poetry-online.org/lear_the_jumblies.htm

spottedray

I'm on a slowly sinking vessel, am I? If I suspect a fault in my wiring I will simply bypass it, join onto the incomings and test onto a plate. I've got harf a dozen in the shed. Next time I see an openreach van I'll bribe the engineer to get an nte5 with the new add ons. Spike: you wrote that one of the most common faults in the drop line, in other words to the master socket, is corrosion caused by worn krone tools. That's a bt issue. I have never suggested that using anything but a fresh idc tool is best practice. Use the best idc tool that money can buy. A couple of industry experts never commented on owain moneysavers post about cold welding. Do they know about this vacuum and all that.

spike7451

spottedray wrote: »

I'm on a slowly sinking vessel, am I? If I suspect a fault in my wiring I will simply bypass it, join onto the incomings and test onto a plate. I've got harf a dozen in the shed. Next time I see an openreach van I'll bribe the engineer to get an nte5 with the new add ons. Spike: you wrote that one of the most common faults in the drop line, in other words to the master socket, is corrosion caused by worn krone tools. That's a bt issue. I have never suggested that using anything but a fresh idc tool is best practice. Use the best idc tool that money can buy. A couple of industry experts never commented on owain moneysavers post about cold welding. Do they know about this vacuum and all that.

spottedray wrote: »

Hello Penrhyn, as to the tool required to push the wires into the idc terminals you could get away with using a very small flat bladed screw driver. Not best practice but it will work. To use the idc tool put a short length over the terminal and simply press down with the stubbier part of the tool facing the middle of the plate. You do not have to remove the insulation as the terminals bite a hole into it making a contact with the copper core of the wire (in theory at least). Sometimes this does not make a proper contact. Personally I strip off the insulation and double over the wire then press it into the contacts and that works fine for me.
I'm wondering why the extension does not work. Do you suspect a break in the length of the cable leading to it, or loose connection perhaps?

spottedray wrote: »

What a load of rubbish this all is. As an experiment earlier tonight I pulled off my master socket face plate with idc terminals (not nte5, one from the pound shop) and wired the incoming into 2+5 about 20 times not only with an idc tool but a credit card and hey presto I'm writing to you now. I yanked the wires out and then pressed them back in. No static, broadband speeds consistent, what a load of mystical rubbish.

So you suggested using a screwdriver & a credit card then rubbished people who disagreed with your suggestion who are in the trade & have years of experience.

The fault I described may be a CP issue in the street cabinet but it can also be found in the home.From a 77A mounted on a windowsill that's prone to condensation to a socket mounted on an outer wall.The idea is not to strip the insulation back as this will increase the area of corrosion on the cable,a build up of which may cause a high resistance fault.This will lead to many faults including a noisy phoneline you may also get increased attenuation on the line.You are also increasing the risk of arching if the phone network is hit by a lightning strike or power surge.By using a screwdriver or credit card,you are pushing the metal contacts on the IDC apart further,decreasing the contact area between the cable & IDC prongs & increasing the area in which corrosion can occur.
And having never done dry welding,I cannot comment on that as I know nothing about it.Not a requirment for my trade.

penrhyn

Happiness is the satisfying click from a well made IDC punched down with your friendly Krone tool. Almost orgasmic



Must get out more!!

Owain_Moneysaver

DVardysShadow wrote: »

Apparently, you can go to sea in a sieve.

Aye right, and you can go to hell in a handcart an aw.

Owain_Moneysaver

penrhyn wrote: »

Happiness is the satisfying click from a well made IDC punched down with your friendly Krone tool. Almost orgasmic

Wiring up a Box, Connections, No. 6A. for a Telephone, Intercom, 4/1 is a jaunty daunder round the toolbox too!

spottedray

Spike- when using an idc tool you are dry/cold welding into terminals. Owain's comment about "gas tight" is exactly that. Corrosion resistance within a vacuum. Google it -cold welding and idc tools and then apologise.

spike7451

Excuse me! Why should I apologize? I wasn't the one that came on here rubbishing other people that contradicted your post & then contradicted things he had already said in previous posts.
Cold welding is a term I can't say I have come across although I am familiar with gas tight.

spottedray

Spike- I did not know about cold welding until owain hinted at it. Google it and when you do a socket in the next few days you can show your technical knowledge to the customer. I get the feeling that throughout this discussion people are trying to frighten off the diy man when in reality house domestic phone wiring is simple.

Wintermute

penrhyn wrote: »

Happiness is the satisfying click from a well made IDC punched down with your friendly Krone tool. Almost orgasmic



Must get out more!!

:D:rotfl:

I do have a faint scar on my hand from one of them, guess how I learnt not to punchdown a keystone jack while holding it in my hand and balanced on a stool :eek: