HELP! Friends Room Mate Moved BF in

Jowo_2

PasturesNew wrote: »

If the flatmate who's taken him in is earning enough, then he might not be able to claim contributions based on his own merits, nor income-based because the sucker earns too much. So it is possible for somebody to not have any benefits.

Good point. I'd forgotten that the means benefits system is based on the expectation of mutual assistance and support for couples, expecting one to look after the other rather than the public purse, (regardless or not of whether the couple have personal views contrary to this kind of mutual dependence).

So in this scenario, it means the selfish flatmate hasn't got the concept of supporting her boyfriend and paying his share, that they believe their finances are completely separate, and that they are independent, and is also amnesiac that her failure to fully financially support her boyfriend means her flatmate ends up subsidising him.

DVardysShadow

You know what? I would feel tempted to play the other tenant at her own game, if you can be really brazen.

I would move out at my own convenience and tell the LL that the other tenant's BF had agreed to take over the tenancy.

thriftychap_2

You will all hate me for this response......

Dont over think it, pack your bags and leave. Dont pay up the rent but leave your share of the bills you owe. Tell the LL this is not the situation you rented into. She seems a very easy going LL and probably would not press you.

This is just what i would do.......and does not constitue good advice.

Creamlampshade

It would be interesting to know from some of the contributors (TBS, Bitterandtwisted, Artful) what the legality is surrounding the LL and the 2 tenants on seperate contracts. Has the LL (inadvertently?) done anything wrong by allowing the one flatmate to move her BF into the property when it was let as 2 rooms in one house to 2 separate tenants? Is the LL in breach of tenancy by allowing other adults who were not on the individual agreements to move in? Interesting!

berkshirelady

DVardysShadow wrote: »

You know what? I would feel tempted to play the other tenant at her own game, if you can be really brazen.

I would move out at my own convenience and tell the LL that the other tenant's BF had agreed to take over the tenancy.

I like this answer! Several years ago a 'friend' did a similar thing to me. Me & my partner moved in to a bigger flat to share with her, as she was moving here from abroad and had no credit history etc for her own tenancy. We even signed up as guarantor for her rent for 6 months! Within weeks she'd met a bloke (who luckily, I suppose, was at least an acquaintance, not a complete stranger), had given him a key without saying anything, and before the tenancy was due to end, was secretly looking at houses to buy, again without telling us. I only found out what was going on when an estate agent phoned about a viewing. She'd spoken to our landlord and got him to agree that she could sublet her room for the remainder of the tenancy to a complete stranger, and like your friend's flatmate, she'd lied to the landlord and said we'd agreed to this.

I was so angry I told her she'd got 2 days to get all her stuff out and hand the keys back, or I'd change the locks. Not entirely ethical, perhaps, but I felt totally stitched up. She took me at my word. 2 days later her room was empty and both keys were stuck to the front door with blu-tack. needless to say I haven't seen or spoken to her since.

So, I wouldn't feel guilty about being brazen, especially as your friend's landlady doesn't seem to bothered about one of her tenants moving a stranger in, possibly in breach of her tenancy agreement? Time to get the hell out of there!!

N79

DVardysShadow wrote: »

They are on separate contracts. What is she actually renting? A room and use of shared facilities? I'm struggling to get a sensible answer out of Shelter's tenancy checker

Anyone know what the governing law is for this type of tenancy? It does not look like an AST. So it depends on what type of tenancy it is as to the minimum notice - could this be less than the landlady's required month?

If its English law then this looks exactly like an AST, which would be the default type of tenancy for this situation. Therefore all the normal rules apply.

For your information, the "property" (dwelling-house in Housing Act terminology) let here is actually the room, not the whole house, as this is the property to which the OP has exclusive access while the tenancy also contains provisions for rights of access to shared space etc.

N79

Creamlampshade wrote: »

It would be interesting to know from some of the contributors (TBS, Bitterandtwisted, Artful) what the legality is surrounding the LL and the 2 tenants on seperate contracts. Has the LL (inadvertently?) done anything wrong by allowing the one flatmate to move her BF into the property when it was let as 2 rooms in one house to 2 separate tenants? Is the LL in breach of tenancy by allowing other adults who were not on the individual agreements to move in? Interesting!

No the LL is not in breach of anything. Each T has a tenancy for their room with provisions for access to the shared areas (OK thats an assumption but it is how this sort of arrangement would normally be created). The LL has no ability to determine the tenancies of either T so is, in effect, powerless to stop Ts moving in whoever they please.

evoke

OP: get your friend's friend to kick out the lazy good-for-nothing boyfriend. He sounds like a !!!!!!!!!!. Knock some sense into her.

Genesis

Jeremy Kyle show end of part one!

puddy

doesnt the property become a HMO with 3 people?