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Nancydog

Hi Coupon mad,

Thanks for the Fleet News link, I have read the link and it proved an interesting read. To date, if one of our drivers knowingly parked in an area in which there were restrictions, I would certainly expect them to pay the parking ticket. This is true for me personally. I would always pay the ticket if I had been able to read the T&C's of a car park and knowingly broke them.

oldone_2

Nancydog wrote: »

Hi Coupon mad,

To date, if one of our drivers knowingly parked in an area in which there were restrictions, I would certainly expect them to pay the parking ticket. This is true for me personally. I would always pay the ticket if I had been able to read the T&C's of a car park and knowingly broke them.

Really. So if you had a ticket because one wheel was touching the white bay marking, you would pay it.
If you had a charge of a £100 because you overstayed 5 minutes in a free car park you would pay it.

The problem with PPC's are that they are greedy. If someone broke the terms and conditions, instead of making a reasonable charge they go all out for the maximum they think they can get away with; which they do as long as there are mugs frightened into paying.

esmerobbo

Nancydog wrote: »

Hi Coupon mad,

Thanks for the Fleet News link, I have read the link and it proved an interesting read. To date, if one of our drivers knowingly parked in an area in which there were restrictions, I would certainly expect them to pay the parking ticket. This is true for me personally. I would always pay the ticket if I had been able to read the T&C's of a car park and knowingly broke them.

I would have no problem abiding by fair terms and conditions, but the T&C's these cowboys dream up are way beyond fair. They have one purpose to entrap people into paying extortionate amounts, for contrived contraventions!

Nancydog

If I believed the ticket to be unreasonable I would challenge it. Also, I believe that it is unfair to penalize us as a company if a free lance driver receives a ticket and does not pay it. It does seem to be rather a confusing issue. Are you saying that I can park in any private car park and not pay even though T&C's are clearly displayed?

trisontana

Nancydog wrote: »

If I believed the ticket to be unreasonable I would challenge it. Also, I believe that it is unfair to penalize us as a company if a free lance driver receives a ticket and does not pay it. It does seem to be rather a confusing issue. Are you saying that I can park in any private car park and not pay even though T&C's are clearly displayed?

Nobody objects to paying to park. What we are objecting to is the stupid excessive "penalties" being demanded by PPCs for breaking their "rules". That's the difference

esmerobbo

Nancydog wrote: »

If I believed the ticket to be unreasonable I would challenge it. Also, I believe that it is unfair to penalize us as a company if a free lance driver receives a ticket and does not pay it. It does seem to be rather a confusing issue. Are you saying that I can park in any private car park and not pay even though T&C's are clearly displayed?

If its free then park free, if its fee paying then pay the fee, that's how I do it.

As far as you being penalised as a company, how so? Any contract they deem to have been broken was between the driver at the time and not the RK/owner of the vehicle.

You as the RK/owner have no obligation to these companies whatsoever.

HO87

esmerobbo wrote: »

You as the RK/owner have no obligation to these companies whatsoever.

.....although they will attempt to persuade you otherwise either by using the "Pre-Action Protocol" nonsense (which has no bearing on proceedings in the small claims court - and they almost certainly known that) or by threatening to obtain what is known as a Norwich Pharmacal Order.

A NPO is a procedure only used, so far, in major cases and would be regarded as a very substantial sledgehammer to crack a nut. Again this is not designed for use in the small claims court and for which they would have to stand the costs of up front in any event. Once again this is all just hot air intended to part your company from its hard-earned.

For what its worth my first encounter with a PPC was in similar circumstances as yours - except that I disobeyed what our company secretary told me to do, fought the case (they actually took the matter to court) and won. That was well before the mass of advice now available here.

Coupon-mad

Nancydog wrote: »

If I believed the ticket to be unreasonable I would challenge it. Also, I believe that it is unfair to penalize us as a company if a free lance driver receives a ticket and does not pay it. It does seem to be rather a confusing issue. Are you saying that I can park in any private car park and not pay even though T&C's are clearly displayed?

Can't believe you would make a driver pay a pretend rip-off FAKE PCN, please re-think! And even worse, I can't believe you are saying you would pay one yourself, do you pay phishing emailers as well? No joke, this is a scam.

There's a world of difference between real tickets from Police and Councils, and bogus 'parking charges'. They are unenforceable trash, Watchdog covered this scam last year and there's a link in our sticky thread 'welcome, please read this first' here near the top:

http://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/forumdisplay.php?f=163

Having said that most people here would pay a fair charge for actually parking. It's the fake PCNs that must be ignored, the extortionate claims for spurious reasons which have no basis in law.

Why one earth do you think your company would be 'penalised'? You have NO liability for private parking tickets whatsoever, only the driver can be pursued (and he/she should ignore).

I am amazed to hear that after reading the Fleet News link that you still think a private piece of paper is still a 'ticket' that one of your drivers should actually fork out for. Please spend some time reading the stickies and other current threads on that link and at least please take on board the fact that your company has zero liability for these bogus invoices. They are not hard to spot, it's the ones that use the word 'Parking' instead of 'Penalty' charge that are the pretend ones.

It is up to the driver and they do NOT have to pay these, nothing will happen to them and certainly nothing against your company. No effect on credit rating for company or driver, no Court, no CCJ, no nothing. Just letters. That's how the scam works.

Oopsadaisy

nancy,

grow a set of cojones and ignore these muppets.

Of course, it's very easy to spend other people's money [ask the gov] and to take the path of least resistance [by making your drivers pay out of their own pockets], but for once take a stand for the little man.

Don't be a penpushing paper jockey all your life, be a hero [in the eyes of your drivers]!!!!

robredz

There is no offence merely an unenforceable invoice, just like the one I could send you inviting you to pay £250 for your inclusion on my new imaginary searchable online database of Distribution Companies.

You owe nothiing ignore.

If you wanted to comply and are genuinely frightened by the threat of the horrendously expensive, many times the value of the invoice (to them ) Norwich Pharmacal Order, then send them the freelance drivers last known address and they must then leave you alone, any further contact becomes harassment pure and simple imho