appeals for a parking ticket

morrisons_victim

Does anyone have any advice as to what I should do?
I did overstay in a morrisons carpark but when i got the letter I appealled against it(sorry but I only found this forum afterwards)
They turned down my appeal. In view of the fact they now know it was me driving and I have admitted overstaying, will they give up if I ignore their letters or do you think I might be the one they take to court? I am not the most strong willer of people.

backfoot

You know everyone's advice will be ignore.

My own personal advice is .....ignore. Alternatively, you could cave in and pay them £60 or whatever it is, for no apparent reason.

On balance I would ......ignore.:D

esmerobbo

Who issued the invoice? If you were shopping at Morrisons then they have no loss so no claim!

Some PPC's will take a punt if they believe they have a chance however most wont!

Personally I would ignore! If they did take a chance it would be easily defended.

It may be worth complaining to Morrisons saying you wont be shopping there again due to this charge! No use them saying they are the cheapest on the TV when it costs you £60 to park!!

fb1969

Also, return to the store and fill a trolley up with perishable and expensive goods (frozen and chilled food). Then get near the tills and say "oh, is that the time! I'd best get back to the car" and dump the trolley and walk out.

Coupon-mad

Ignore them from now on. Click on my signature link to see the whole parking board; stickies at the top.

Read at the very least the stickies by Crabman 'Read this before posting' and 'PPC letters, what to expect'. You will then know the letter-sequence and can laugh as each predictable piece of bog-roll arrives. Don't actually read the letters and their threats, just check that they match what others have received and ignored many times over.

You will also find Watchdog's advice from a legal expert about what to do with a fake PCN like this. It makes no odds that you have already appealed. I replied to someone only yesterday on here in the same situation as you. If you just read some threads on the main board view (my sig link) you will understand that it really doesn't matter that you have fallen for it a bit and replied, so what?

But DO complain to Morrisons, in writing to the Store manager himself/herself!

!!!!!! who on earth are they to think it's a good idea to issue legal threats to customers and dictate how long it will take to do your shopping? Do not feel you've done anything wrong. Morrisons and other Supermarkets need to receive complaints like this so they realise that PPCs affect business. Tell them you will not be returning, they have lost a customer. Do not appeal nor try to explain yourself. TELL THEM that they have a problem and are losing custom.

Oopsadaisy

If you're not strong willed enough to ignore a few sheets of paper then I respectfully suggest you send them the money.

Coupon-mad

Oopsadaisy wrote: »

If you're not strong willed enough to ignore a few sheets of paper then I respectfully suggest you send them the money.

Very tongue in cheek but I see your point (not that anyone should REALLY think about paying of course). It's only standard letters, we tell people what they will receive, so why do people still worry when those exact same letters arrive?

bromsgrovebarry

I hate to think of the number of people who cave in because of the intimidatory language of letters from PPCs. Legislation is needed to protect the vulnerable and the gullible. Lets hope that the OP has the good sense to ignore silly threats.

trisontana

If you really want to complain to Morrisons, or even their PPC, you could always send this (from the Piston Heads website):-

To whom it may concern

I am in receipt of your letter dated [insert the date] alleging that a vehicle registered to me overstayed an arbitrary duration in a vehicle park attached to one of your stores.

As I am sure you will be aware, it is the driver of the vehicle with whom any contract to park was made, not the Registered Keeper. You will also be aware that the terms of any such contract must be set out in such a manner as to be obvious to anyone with whom you wished to make the contract. These terms must comply with all applicable contract law, such as the Unfair Contract Terms Act 1977.

Should you wish to pursue this claim, please supply evidence that the person parking the vehicle you allege to have overstayed the set duration would have had the opportunity to read the contract terms. Such evidence must be, as a minimum:
• a detailed route and timings of the vehicle's travel into and through the vehicle park;
• a detailed route of the driver's passage out of the vehicle and into the store - this and the evidence listed immediately above are to show that the driver had reasonable opportunity to see and read the contract terms;
• photographs of all relevant signage in situ in locus in quo at the time of the alleged overstaying so as to show that the signs were actually readable;
• an accurately-drawn, scaled, map showing the location of each sign and indicating which you believe the driver would have had the easy opportunity to read (the routes of the vehicle and driver should be superimposed upon the map);
• details of the weather conditions at the time, in particular the visibility (all to be confirmed by the Meteorological Office);
• sufficient details of the driver with whom you claim to have made a contract to enable their unique identification;
• a detailed description of the processes followed to record and analyse the evidence of the alleged overstaying; and
• a notarised statement from a senior manager at the store to the effect that your recording and analytical systems were working normally at the time of the alleged overstaying.
Without the above, I cannot entertain your claim and any further demands for payment will be considered harassment and will be reported to the police with a view to your criminal prosecution under s1 of the Malicious Communications Act 1998, s85 of the Postal Services Act 2000, s127 of the Communications Act 2003, and/or s2 of the Protection from Harrassment Act 1997 - this last with a view to the court issuing a Restraining Order against you. Additionally, civil action will be taken against you personally and your employer to cease and desist and for the recovery of all costs, together with a substantial payment in compensation for the mental pain and suffering caused.

I expect your reply by return, either providing the evidence requested above or indicating simply your termination of this correspondence.

That should silence them!

Kite2010

trisontana wrote: »

If you really want to complain to Morrisons, or even their PPC, you could always send this (from the Piston Heads website):-

To whom it may concern

I am in receipt of your letter dated [insert the date] alleging that a vehicle registered to me overstayed an arbitrary duration in a vehicle park attached to one of your stores.

As I am sure you will be aware, it is the driver of the vehicle with whom any contract to park was made, not the Registered Keeper. You will also be aware that the terms of any such contract must be set out in such a manner as to be obvious to anyone with whom you wished to make the contract. These terms must comply with all applicable contract law, such as the Unfair Contract Terms Act 1977.

Should you wish to pursue this claim, please supply evidence that the person parking the vehicle you allege to have overstayed the set duration would have had the opportunity to read the contract terms. Such evidence must be, as a minimum:
• a detailed route and timings of the vehicle's travel into and through the vehicle park;
• a detailed route of the driver's passage out of the vehicle and into the store - this and the evidence listed immediately above are to show that the driver had reasonable opportunity to see and read the contract terms;
• photographs of all relevant signage in situ in locus in quo at the time of the alleged overstaying so as to show that the signs were actually readable;
• an accurately-drawn, scaled, map showing the location of each sign and indicating which you believe the driver would have had the easy opportunity to read (the routes of the vehicle and driver should be superimposed upon the map);
• details of the weather conditions at the time, in particular the visibility (all to be confirmed by the Meteorological Office);
• sufficient details of the driver with whom you claim to have made a contract to enable their unique identification;
• a detailed description of the processes followed to record and analyse the evidence of the alleged overstaying; and
• a notarised statement from a senior manager at the store to the effect that your recording and analytical systems were working normally at the time of the alleged overstaying.
Without the above, I cannot entertain your claim and any further demands for payment will be considered harassment and will be reported to the police with a view to your criminal prosecution under s1 of the Malicious Communications Act 1998, s85 of the Postal Services Act 2000, s127 of the Communications Act 2003, and/or s2 of the Protection from Harrassment Act 1997 - this last with a view to the court issuing a Restraining Order against you. Additionally, civil action will be taken against you personally and your employer to cease and desist and for the recovery of all costs, together with a substantial payment in compensation for the mental pain and suffering caused.

I expect your reply by return, either providing the evidence requested above or indicating simply your termination of this correspondence.

That should silence them!

Reply from the PPC:

After careful consideration we have decided to reject your appeal

esmerobbo

Its a good letter but it is really aimed at the ppc, not the retailer. It would be easily answered by the retailer by them saying direct your comments to the PPC.

However you could copy it in with a letter of complaint to the retailer!