MOT brake light question

Gene_Hunt_2

Stigy wrote: »

No they can't, as they're not madatory lights, hence not failing an MoT.

If it's fitted it's go to work.

mikey72

Gene_Hunt wrote: »

If it's fitted it's go to work.

What reference do you have for that?

mikey72

Stigy wrote: »

I can name dozens of post 1998 cars without high level or centre brake light units fitted at the factory.

All cars have reverse lights fitted as standard these days, but as far as I'm aware, they're still not tested on the MoT.

Completely off at a tangent, I agree they aren't tested, but do you reckon it would be a fail if the reversing light was stuck on all the time?
Even if all the testable lights worked ok?

Invalidation

mikey72 wrote: »

What reference do you have for that?

Hes probably got the same reference I have. The MOT station.
I had spotlights fittedonce but not connected. I was failed and told if they were fitted they had to work.

Stigy

mikey72 wrote: »

Completely off at a tangent, I agree they aren't tested, but do you reckon it would be a fail if the reversing light was stuck on all the time?
Even if all the testable lights worked ok?

I agree it would most definitely fail, but there's a difference between them not illuminating at all, and them not functioning as they should do, as you suggest. That is what I thought would be the sole thing (that and an unsteady light illumination or similar) that would make high level or centre brake lamps fail the test. I agree that if fitted, they have to work properly if they actually activate. But if they don't activate at all, can that fail? I think the rules might be ambiguos...

Stigy

Invalidation wrote: »

Hes probably got the same reference I have. The MOT station.
I had spotlights fittedonce but not connected. I was failed and told if they were fitted they had to work.

Again, not a legal requirement for the road, so why must they switch on? Especially after market ones! In fact, are factory fitted ones even switched on during a test?

Gene_Hunt_2

mikey72 wrote: »

What reference do you have for that?

Con and Use Regs.

mikey72

Gene_Hunt wrote: »

Con and Use Regs.

Nope.
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Gene_Hunt_2

Stigy wrote: »

Again, not a legal requirement for the road, so why must they switch on? Especially after market ones! In fact, are factory fitted ones even switched on during a test?

Rear fogs are part of the MOT test.

mikey72

Stigy wrote: »

I agree it would most definitely fail, but there's a difference between them not illuminating at all, and them not functioning as they should do, as you suggest. That is what I thought would be the sole thing (that and an unsteady light illumination or similar) that would make high level or centre brake lamps fail the test. I agree that if fitted, they have to work properly if they actually activate. But if they don't activate at all, can that fail? I think the rules might be ambiguos...

The rules state

"Additional stop lamps fitted and connected must be tested. Where extra lamps are fitted and there is doubt as to whether they are connected, the benefit of this doubt should be given to the presenter"

Doesn't mention the case where a none-tested light like the reversing light is staying on though. Thinking about it, there's no category to fail it on, so probably would have to be an advisory.