bio-diesel for a P plate Peugot 106xnd.

DEBTMONKEY1A

Hello,

I wonder if I can use bio-disel in the above car? Lots of sites said it's ok but wanted to check with the knowledgable guys/gals on here?
Buying from http://www.greenworldbiodiesel.co.uk/index.php (just down the road!)Any advice would be good as it would save me some money! They seem to have all the correct 'e' numbers & winter frost protection!:)

johnnyroper

DEBTMONKEY1A wrote: »

Hello,

I wonder if I can use bio-disel in the above car? Lots of sites said it's ok but wanted to check with the knowledgable guys/gals on here?
Buying from http://www.greenworldbiodiesel.co.uk/index.php (just down the road!)Any advice would be good as it would save me some money! They seem to have all the correct 'e' numbers & winter frost protection!:)

as the car will have the 1.5tud conventional injection diesel with mechanical pump i would say all will be ok.
the problem is normally with newer electronically controlled diesels.

DEBTMONKEY1A

Thanks johhnyroper....I did read somewhere it cases premature pump wear-is that correct?

mikey72

The 106 has the lucas pump. It will fail on straight veg oil.
In theory the pump is ok with bio diesel, as the lubrication and flow is much more like dino oil.
Not many reports on it though, what can you get the bio for? Is it worth going for a 50/50 mix.

gilbert_and_sullivan

Seeing as the 106D is one the most econimical cars ever put on the road, why risk ruining it for the potential savings.

bigjl

I would assume that if it has a Bosch pump rather than a Lucas one you should be OK to run it on either filtered used vegoil or fresh vegoil.

The Bosch pump doesn't rely on the fuel to provide pump lubrication, were the Lucas does, hence you are fine to use normal vegoil or biodiesel.

To be considered when using either vegoil or biodiesel is that the material used for seals changed and the earlier material is no go and will degrade and start to leak.

Though I can't remember when the new material was adopted, but I ran a bosch pumped Xantia for 6 months on vegoil, adopting a mix during the colder months to prevent fuel clogging.

mikey72

Lucas pump.

mikey72

gilbert_and_sullivan wrote: »

Seeing as the 106D is one the most econimical cars ever put on the road, why risk ruining it for the potential savings.

Don't know about that.
Hammyman reckoned he gets 70mpg out of his mondeo.

"I've managed just short of 70MPG out of my 6 speed TDCi when commuting from YO25 to Hull docks including rush hour - about a 50/50 mix of city and 60MPH rural driving."

No way does our 106 1.5D even come close to that.:rotfl::rotfl:

bigjl

mikey72 wrote: »

Lucas pump.

Bad luck then, but should be safe enough on good quality Bio?

The newer diesel engines are very efficient, not saying they are as rugged and long lived as the XUD engine, they certainly need better miantenance and more expensive oil.

I always fancied a 406 estate with the 1.9 XUD in it, they have the lovely "oily diesel" sound when ticking over, the sound of a high mileage, comfortably worn in old style diesel.

Diesel engines lost this reassuring sound when direct injection came in, anybody remember the Montego with the diesel engine in it, noisy but unbreakable and would do 50mpg on a run.

I know of a courier that has over 500,000 miles (actually it may have been more than that) on one that he uses for work, he was featured in Car Mechanics mag a few years ago. It had required more bodywork than mechanical work during its life.

DEBTMONKEY1A

Thanks all! It's £1-05 a litre!!! It has all the 'e' accreditations & something to stop it freezing in winter. Big savings as i do £55 miles a day! So again at the risk of sounding thick (!) if a boshe pump was fitted you could run it on straight veg oil (its super cheap from costco) & either put in an 'in-line heater' (not a clue what that is but seen it on forums etc-fairly cheap I think???) for the winter or mix it say 70/30 with either bio-diesel or normal diesel to stop it clogging in the winter??

Apparently its the fuel pump 'seals' that can go-but looking on various forums anything post 1992 has the correct seals?

Mikey....just to update jo re: heater matrix (!)-off to see my mechanically minded pal in Norfolk next w/end-he's doing a reverse flush JUST on the matrix & replacing stat (he gets em trade price-£6 & worth fitting as stat housing leaking a bit). If that doesn't fix it I'll buy him a shed load of ale & ask him to do the 5 hour or so task of putting a new matrix in (!)

Thanks all for your help!

Rolandtheroadie

For a winter mix on my Corsa 1.7D I've previously used 10% petrol in with the veg oil.
Now run home made bio and even in -17 it was starting with no problems (after changing a couple of glow plugs, bit sluggish before that).