best economy 4x4 - help please

Gene_Hunt_2

deadhead02 wrote: »

The Legacy Outback has a capacity of 1800kgs - my trailer is 905kgs plus 1 horse adds 500kgs so is ok with 1 horse but maybe just over with 2 - plate weight is 2340kgs but is unlikely to ever be that heavy as only have a little arabian horse...

Simple answer is you could only carry one 500kg horse.

Two would put you 5.8% over weight without tack etc. Meaning a possible fine evry time you took it on a road.

Flearoy

maxheadroom wrote: »

As i understand it, and i may have misinterpreted it, it doesn't matter if the trailer only ever carries a tin of beans the fact that the plated weight is greater than the max tow weight for the vehicle means it is not a permisable combination, hence iwt offering the down plating service.

Yes, I was under the same impression maxheadroom. In fact I'm certain that this was the case, at least it was a couple of years ago.

maxheadroom

You made me go and look it up (form tables in towing handbook fron HMSO published 2000)

For post 1997 licence holders who only have cat B then the trailer MAM greater than 750kg provided the trailer MAM does not exceed the unladen weight of the towing vehicle and maximum combined MAM is 3500kg

But for B+E and pre 1997 then this does not apply, so i stand corrected unless it has changed again since then

Gene_Hunt_2

maxheadroom wrote: »

You made me go and look it up (form tables in towing handbook fron HMSO published 2000)

For post 1997 licence holders who only have cat B then the trailer MAM greater than 750kg provided the trailer MAM does not exceed the unladen weight of the towing vehicle and maximum combined MAM is 3500kg

But for B+E and pre 1997 then this does not apply, so i stand corrected unless it has changed again since then

You are correct.

maxheadroom

Useful pdf from DFT in July 2010 about trailers.

http://www.dft.gov.uk/pgr/roads/vehicles/vssafety/info_trailers.pdf

But that contradicts itself by omitting entitlements of cat b post 1997 drivers. The law here is mess, me thinks it was simpler before we harmonsied with europe - as an aside i note we didn't harmonise ridinge mopeds at 14 as in france

having said that i thing i would rather err on the side of caution rather than have the hassle of being pulled by VOSA

Flearoy

Max

Yes, I'm one of those post 97 licence holders so the rules I was checking were only those applicable to me! I looked at vehicle/trailer combinations for ages to find a combination suitable for towing the great whacking horse I had while still being under 3,500kg MAM - I wanted a car that weighed 1751 kg and a trailer plated to as near to 1749kg as the car could tow..

deadhead02

maxheadroom wrote: »

As i understand it, and i may have misinterpreted it, it doesn't matter if the trailer only ever carries a tin of beans the fact that the plated weight is greater than the max tow weight for the vehicle means it is not a permisable combination, hence iwt offering the down plating service.

Ooh never heard of downplating - have emailed Ifor Williams to ask about it - thank goodness I passed my test 30 years ago and am not prey to the new licence youngsters have to do in order to tow!

jlrtech

i work as a jag-landrover tech , i would not even think about getting a landrover as they spend to much time in the garage getting fixed .

deadhead02

maxheadroom wrote: »

You made me go and look it up (form tables in towing handbook fron HMSO published 2000)

For post 1997 licence holders who only have cat B then the trailer MAM greater than 750kg provided the trailer MAM does not exceed the unladen weight of the towing vehicle and maximum combined MAM is 3500kg

But for B+E and pre 1997 then this does not apply, so i stand corrected unless it has changed again since then

Does that mean as a pre 1997 tested driver my car doesn't have to exceed plated weight on trailer? this is so confusing - I hope I have not been towing illegally

maxheadroom

I think you are OK

GTW of shogun (from google is 6000Kg), Shogun weighs 2800 and tow weight of 3300 so with you old licence thats fine.

Look at this thread here

http://www.horseandhound.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?p=9303311