Change to shift rota for new year. Where do i stand?

Sambucus_Nigra

DVardysShadow wrote: »

NO! For monday to friday employees, the social occaisions at least are what weekends are for.

So you are saying that annual leave has a different function to the 'rest of us'?

I had a friend's wedding on a Friday last year - but wasn't aware of this change in rules that you seem to be inferring. Could you please enlighten me to this quirk in annual leave allowances so that I am better informed next time.

Cheers.

System

But it is still a fixed shift pattern of 4 on 4 off. The OP has been moved to a different shift but is still working 4 on 4 off.

bluetownbarry

Sambucus_Nigra wrote: »

So you are saying that annual leave has a different function to the 'rest of us'?

I had a friend's wedding on a Friday last year - but wasn't aware of this change in rules that you seem to be inferring. Could you please enlighten me to this quirk in annual leave allowances so that I am better informed next time.

Cheers.

Can you two get a room? Seems the pair of you seem to hijack most threads with constant snipes at each other.

Can't you just try and grow up and stick to giving constructive advice?

Sambucus_Nigra

bluetownbarry wrote: »

Can you two get a room? Seems the pair of you seem to hijack most threads with constant snipes at each other.

Can't you just try and grow up and stick to giving constructive advice?

Most threads?

I think not.

I can't see the problem pointing out that annual leave is meant to be used for things such as weddings/stag do's etc. Again, if I am incorrect then point me in the right direction.

Emmzi

OP, over the year, how many holiday days will you have to use for non-moveable things?

DVardysShadow

bluetownbarry wrote: »

Can you two get a room? Seems the pair of you seem to hijack most threads with constant snipes at each other.

Can't you just try and grow up and stick to giving constructive advice?

I think I am being constructive here ... and I am not going to let you intimidate me from responding to SN, because this point is basically about respect for the OP's free time.

Sambucus_Nigra wrote: »

So you are saying that annual leave has a different function to the 'rest of us'?

I had a friend's wedding on a Friday last year - but wasn't aware of this change in rules that you seem to be inferring. Could you please enlighten me to this quirk in annual leave allowances so that I am better informed next time.

Cheers.

I'll explain this just the once as I really don't want to get a room with you.

Rather than think about what events the OP is planning for - whether they be social or medical or whatever, you need to think about what days he knows about. I'll assume you work Mon to Fri. If you do, you can assume from now to kingdom come that you can do whatever you want from fri evening until close of play on sun.

If OP is on a fixed shift pattern, he could assume that he will be able, like you, to allocate certain days to events without using ANY of his annual leave allowance. What has happened here is exactly equivalent to what would happen to you if, at short notice, your employer gave you Thursday and Friday off instead of Saturday and Sunday for the rest of your working life.

If it had happened to you, before the wedding you mention, you would, of course, be up by one leave day. But overall, across all your plans, you would probably lose out quite substantially.

This is a matter of simple respect for the free time of shift workers. If you work Mon to Fri, you expect respect for your plans for Sat and Sun - without losing leave. In the same way, I believe the OP is entitled to similar respect for his free time and his ability to make some plans without incurring loss of leave.

bluetownbarry

DVardysShadow wrote: »

I think I am being constructive here ... and I am not going to let you intimidate me from responding to SN, because this point is basically about respect for the OP's free time.


I'll explain this just the once as I really don't want to get a room with you.

Rather than think about what events the OP is planning for - whether they be social or medical or whatever, you need to think about what days he knows about. I'll assume you work Mon to Fri. If you do, you can assume from now to kingdom come that you can do whatever you want from fri evening until close of play on sun.

If OP is on a fixed shift pattern, he could assume that he will be able, like you, to allocate certain days to events without using ANY of his annual leave allowance. What has happened here is exactly equivalent to what would happen to you if, at short notice, your employer gave you Thursday and Friday off instead of Saturday and Sunday for the rest of your working life.

If it had happened to you, before the wedding you mention, you would, of course, be up by one leave day. But overall, across all your plans, you would probably lose out quite substantially.

This is a matter of simple respect for the free time of shift workers. If you work Mon to Fri, you expect respect for your plans for Sat and Sun - without losing leave. In the same way, I believe the OP is entitled to similar respect for his free time and his ability to make some plans without incurring loss of leave.

Intimidate? That's got be the funniest thing I've seen in ages! Never knew I was that scary - you've made my day

Torry_Quine

Anyone I know who works with a fixed shift system although often working out arrangements to fit knows tht it can and often is changed. The common phrase used is 'to meet the needs of the unit'. It is naive to think that nothing will ever change. One person I know has their fixed rota changed on average every 18 months and this always mucks up things but it is the nature of the job. People who are in a Monday to Friday job will never understand that you have to be flexible when a shift worker. It is also highly unlikely that this is anything that can be changed as contracts do not usually have set shifts so can be changed. If the OP hasn't experienced this before they have been very fortunate.

DVardysShadow

Torry_Quine wrote: »

Anyone I know who works with a fixed shift system although often working out arrangements to fit knows tht it can and often is changed. The common phrase used is 'to meet the needs of the unit'. It is naive to think that nothing will ever change. One person I know has their fixed rota changed on average every 18 months and this always mucks up things but it is the nature of the job. People who are in a Monday to Friday job will never understand that you have to be flexible when a shift worker. It is also highly unlikely that this is anything that can be changed as contracts do not usually have set shifts so can be changed. If the OP hasn't experienced this before they have been very fortunate.

I understand your point. But it is not good enough to drop a change on a shift worker without long notice and some means of coping with prior plans.Mon to Fri people can plan ahead knowing full well that they will never lose leave for planning something on a Sat or Sun. Shift workers deserve equal respect.

Sambucus_Nigra

DVardysShadow wrote: »

I'll explain this just the once as I really don't want to get a room with you.

Thanks for the explanation - it sounds as if you are really trying to help me in understanding the situation :rotfl:

However.

None of it matters.

The OP has had their shifts changed.

The employer has changed the shift pattern.

The leave that the employee is entitled to is just that - leave that they are entitled to.

Just because the OP works a shift pattern does not mean that they are entitled to 20-odd extra days because the dates that they had planned on taking now clash with their working days.

Now, if you have any legal pointers that say this is not the case, then great. However, intimating that the OP can claim back 60% of their leave because the dates clash [and possibly encouraging them to put a grievance in] is not helpful if there is no rights associated with this. Just because DVS thinks it's good that that's the way employers should work because it respects the employee does not make it so!