Anyone else worried about the ESA time limit changes?

Cpt.Scarlet

pinklady21 wrote: »

Sorry everyone - but I suspect we may be dealing with yet another sad troll.

I suspect you are right, there was no newbie flag, but checking their profile they only joined yesterday.

sunnyone

pinklady21 wrote: »

Sorry everyone - but I suspect we may be dealing with yet another sad troll.
Signis, you are of course entitled to express an opinion.
However I find your assertion that you are claiming PHI rather questionable.
If you are a genuine PHI claimant you will be doubt be aware that these policies automatically deduct at source an amount for IB/ESA.
The 75% pre illness salary figure that you quote is not paid by the insurer.
Also, you would be aware that PHI is NEVER paid on the basis of a GP report alone - certainly not for more than two years.
PHI companies are not charities and will do ANYTHING to avoid paying out.

If you wish to comment on the proposed time limiting of contributory ESA then that is the point of this thread - to continue to make offensive comments about claimants who are among the most vulnerable in our society is simply not acceptable.
Either make a positive contribution to the debate or go away.

Its andy again.

pinklady21

Anyone want to report his latest incarnation?

melbury

sunnyone wrote: »

Its andy again.

Why does he keep doing this? He must so bored.

melbury

I think that time limiting ESA (CB) to one year is a bloody disgrace and the government really ought to think again about punishing people who have paid into the system for years.

I agree the welfare system does need reforming, but not by punishing people who have worked for years.

heater

Hello again, signis

i do not think it is immaterial and irrelevant what an employer would do or think. Sick people are not able to compete fairly in the jobs market. Many will have long term sickness records, and/or may require the employer to make adjustments (sometimes expensive) for them etc. An employer, is unlikely to choose to employ someone honest enough to admit that their condition might mean that they could not guarantee a return to work the next day.

just because someone can work one day but not another does not necessarily mean that they could very well be able to increase their opportunity to work over a period of time and should be in the work group. It is not always a case of simply needing help and encouragement. It could be that the condition widely fluctuates.

it seems to me that you are in favour of a time limit. Noone can say that everyone who is sick will be better after the same set period of time. The government do not have to target the disabled who are the hardest hit by the cuts. As long as people are sick and unable to work a time limit to esa is arbitrary and should not exist (just as it does not with non-contributory esa).

people do not always have the motivation or confidence to go through with an appeal. Sometimes it is hard and time consuming enough just coping with the impairment itself. The effects of medication can also be a problem eg extreme tiredness.

i don’t know anyone disabled who demands they be put into the support group. However what you need to understand is that people themselves are the experts in their disability and how it affects them and will know whether they can work or not.

if you do not take an insurance policy out then you do not get insurance. So, are you saying that people who have not paid contributions should not be entitled to benefits?
believe it or not, many people are not aware that such policies exist especially when they are young. Also, as i said, people never think it will happen to them. I am sure that, with hindsight, people who have to rely on the benefits system wish they had taken out policies, too. You are lucky (although i doubt that you will see it as luck) to have protected yourself in this way but i think you should have more compassion for those who have not. There are plenty of disabled people who cannot just be self-reliant and take full responsibility for their lives. Oh, and by the way, this does not guarantee these people a place in the support group.
　
　
　
　
　
　
　
　
　
　
　
　
　
　
　
　
　
　
　
　
　
　

Cpt.Scarlet

signis wrote: »

Far too many people are only seeing this rule change as a reduction of their benefits. No one has yet to agree that it is fair, apart from me that is, and that there options available. As described above or find some work. They can't have it both ways otherwise we are back in the land of never never which is what IB became.

You seem to be the only one who seems to think it is fair.

You really seem to be struggling with the concept that someone can be in the WRAG and yet never be expected to work because of their disability , it happens, to 10,000s of people.

You talk about options, and yet it is these that are being taken away from these people, you got yourself sorted, well bully for you, not everybody has the foresight or more often the money to do so.

dmg24

signis wrote: »

Oh yeah??

For your information I was one of those that outed him last time as Sardine or something and again as Skcollob.

I think this must the 10th time in the last two weeks that you have accused somebody of being Andy or Andyand flo.

Get real honey!

But you have only been a member for a day, so how could have outed somebody weeks ago? :rotfl:

Richie-from-the-Boro

Well now, even my good self.

Chorlie

Not sure if anyone saw the correction that 'The Sun' published yesterday, it was very small on page 2; it published a correction to the full page (or several pages) reports on the Trial scheme of moving people from IB to ESA where it stated that 70% of people on IB was found fit for work. They published that this should of read 30% (with a further 39% found to be possible fit for work in the future with for correct support ie WRAG).

These false reports in the papers / news has effected all of us true claimers and they get away publishing a correction so small I almost missed it, they should be made to publish a correction on the same pages & covering the same area.

RANT OVER...