BTL, vile lowlife business, nobody wants to be living under their roofs

FTBFun

WhiteChristmas wrote: »

But for every area that's been "gentrified" there's one that's been turned into bedsit land by the BTL brigade. One former 6-bed family home on the street is converted into one bedroomed flats and within three or four years beautiful detatched Victorian villas have no value other than as "development opportunities".

Much better to have a property in some form of use to house people surely - than to have it standing empty?

How many family houses are 6 bedroom anyway? I grew up in a 3 bed detached property which was enough.

WhiteChristmas

WARNING: this response is probably over-sentimental but what the hey? You lot show no hesitation in indulging your vested interests.

julieq wrote: »

The future is leased condos in urban locations, same as elsewhere in the world.

In London, yes. Maybe Edinburgh and Glasgow (where there is a long-established tradition of "apartment living" but the whole notion of home ownership is still a novelty to the majority).

But even in centres like Leeds and Manchester it's being rejected, as thousands of flats which have never been occupied -- and scrapped plans for thousands more -- demonstrate.

Away from the centres it's different again. Here in the provinces, we just don't encounter the "increasingly transient" population the media tells us about. We live on streets of sixty houses, fifty-five of which have been occupied by the same families for two or three generations.

If times are indeed changing but it just hasn't reached us yet, then I daresay we'll adapt, but it rankles that the actions of a single developer -- who may have no connection to the neighbourhood, town or even region -- can fundamentally change the environment, impacting on the lives of hundreds, just to provide for his retirement.

Next time you're in one of the old industrial towns, seek out their park and see what unsympathetic, inconsiderate development has done to areas that were once the town's jewels.

ninky_2

WhiteChristmas wrote: »

But even in centres like Leeds and Manchester it's being rejected, as thousands of flats which have never been occupied -- and scrapped plans for thousands more -- demonstrate.

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then what are you worrying about? if demand (or lack of it) has caused developers to change their plans no need to fuss.

julieq

In the North West there's a pretty good infrastructure and good cheapish housing well within commuting range of the major urban centres, so it's never going to be as easy to sell a flat. I never like to speak too much about the quality of life in the North West, because (a) I miss it, and (b) I don't want prices to equalise in case I ever move back, so keep it quiet, but apart from a few hotspots (Cheshire, central Manchester and so on), it's very affordable.

But condos are something different to flats and very big in the Far East: typically it's a managed block with extremely high spec accomodation, often built around facilities such as a gym and a swimming pool, and not a difficult sell to an urban professional. Even easier if there's some sort of waterfront and a thriving "lifestyle" service area of shops and bars and restaurants. In the UK, the area around Brighton Station has been set up like that, and for anyone working in central London it has to be a serious tempter - better quality of life by far, and 50 minutes to the city.

Yes, London and the South East first, no question, but eventually it will spread elsewhere as affordability shrinks for alternatives.

DpchMd

The_Fox wrote: »

I am not mincing about with my words anymore, again today i witnessed the lowest form of reptilian scum that is the modern day BTL landlord.
For too long i have been an apologist for that vile business, even though i argued that it was causing many of the social problems in this country today i would still attack it in "an ever so civilised way". Many of you will know what i am talking about, coming out with stuff like "you cannot blame them for making a buck" or " BTL is needed in some areas and for some people".

Most people who are living under a BTL roof are doing so because they have no choice, those people have created a speculative bubble which traps many. The only people buying today are those with money burning a hole in their pockets, and then those who want to buy can't as rents are being put up, catch 22.

I have met and seen many of these reptiles in many ways(living and media), none(NONE) have a decent bone in their body. Kirsty Allsopp, Grant Bovey, Rosie Millard, The Wilsons, van hoogstraten, endless MP's(big reason why it is nurtured), all those soulness cold lowlife on singing pig, you have a scrawny looking plumber who looks like he has never had a friend in his life bragging constantly and laughing at the less well off wannabe FTB's on PMT motley fool along with Kingofnowhere with his pants around his ankles and Kleenex in hand posting 24/7 why rents are going up.

I have met dozens of them, the types you would see on THE ONLY WAY IS ESSEX, slick, sneaky, won't pay their bills, ex bankrupts, only love is money, lying cheating, filth the lot of them, not once have a ever met one with a social conscience. I know this is strong stuff, and if i had seen any different with my own eyes i would say, there is no exception.

The BTL is killing aspiration, it is just creating temp homes, homes where in many cases you have few rights and can be kicked out with 2 months notice should those worms decide. Homes that the landlord will always refer to as HIS/HERS, he/she will never let the tenant feel like it is truly theirs.

Those that have all purchased their own homes(and good luck to them, REALLY), who live with BTL propertys have to put up with endless tenants, people who never really feel like part of the community.
The BTL landlord will say they work hard, RUBBISH!!!, they are after an easy life and easy money. They will say that they took the chance, ok i will take a chance and rob a Bank tomorrow.
Socially we don't need many of them, they will tell you that they are housing the thick and useless :rotfl:, arrogant prats.

If David Cameron really cares about peoples happiness like he claims and not the BTL landlords that flood Parliament then he will start making it economicaly difficult for the wealthy to keep the poorer workers in the pockets of spivs and those with more money then sense.

Seriously, i really hate them, i have kept it quite for so long, tried to fight my corner in a civil way with constructive argument. The fact is that not one of these reptiles have a decent bone in their body, it's about time people started to take them.

I watched today as a working single woman was brought to tears by one of these heartless worms who for the first month had money problems and was asking for help.
It's the nearest i have ever come to sticking a mans head through a wall, i walked off the job before i did.

You remind me of someone.

moneyinmypocket

Is the fox HKW?

The whole foxy thing I hear mentioned was before my time

DpchMd

moneyinmypocket wrote: »

Is the fox HKW?

The whole foxy thing I hear mentioned was before my time

Can't be, there are clear inconsistencies with their stories.

If you're suggesting that they're the same person, then you're accusing him of being full of ****, which would be very rude.

DpchMd

Homelessskilledworker and the Blockheads.

Doesn't have the same ring to it does it?

chewmylegoff

DpchMd wrote: »

Homelessskilledworker and the Blockheads.

Doesn't have the same ring to it does it?

I don't know who's the biggest tool, foxy and his ludicrous multiple personality disorder, or you for dragging up all these old threads. I wish you would both just eff off.

DpchMd

chewmylegoff wrote: »

I don't know who's the biggest tool, foxy and his ludicrous multiple personality disorder, or you for dragging up all these old threads. I wish you would both just eff off.

I vote foxy.