advice needed about being made to stay after work hours.

richardvc

C_Mababejive wrote: »

I'd be happy to elaborate further via pm but it all boils down to the deal that was done between company and union and the fact that the overall package balances it out so all in all I'm not doing too badly!

My point, and please don't take this as criticism, is that there is yet another employee doing unpaid hours.

If the boot was on the other foot, there would be no chance of your company paying you for not staying at work !!

I hope you understand my point !

It seems scandalous that many companies are quite happy to make staff work in their own time but at the stroke of a pen make them redundant.

FatVonD

Do you get paid sick leave? I'd be calculating all those half hours, converting them into days and then awarding myself time off in lieu

Any

C_Mababejive wrote: »

I'd be happy to elaborate further via pm but it all boils down to the deal that was done between company and union and the fact that the overall package balances it out so all in all I'm not doing too badly!

Then I don't understand your first comment... There are jobs that require overtime, or other then 9-5 o'clock, but these are paid better then NMW. It is understanding between the employee and employer that you get paid nice money and you do the extra when needed.

However paying less then NMW (which is what the OPs situation is effectively) is illegal.

C_Mababejive

Any wrote: »

Then I don't understand your first comment... There are jobs that require overtime, or other then 9-5 o'clock, but these are paid better then NMW. It is understanding between the employee and employer that you get paid nice money and you do the extra when needed.

However paying less then NMW (which is what the OPs situation is effectively) is illegal.

Agreed..i guess you would have to ensure that you didnt do so many unpaid hours that you were effectively on or approaching the NMW !

jazzyman01

Put it in a grievance letter stating that you are expected to work an additional 30 minutes each day for which you are currently unpaid. As you are on minimum wage this effectively takes your salary to below the legal requirement. State that you have raised this verbally over xxx without any response and are now putting in a grievance. Work out how many hours you have worked over the past and identify number of hours x hourly rate.

patman99

I'd bill them at overtime rate. You can also grass them up to HMRC if you really want to cause them the severe grief that they so richly deserve.

ceridwen

As you are leaving for another job anyway shortly - then it would be wise to work out a record of hours worked and pay received. This would easily prove you had been paid less than NMW (as you state your hourly wage is only NMW).

Then - once safely in another job - get onto HMRC with that sheet and the figures as to how much the employer owes you and ask them to chase this employer up (or put in the previous posters' language - grass them up). Of course - in the process - you could helpfully suggest that there are other employees there also being paid less than NMW (as the same thing is happening to them).;):D They must owe you and your colleagues hundreds of £s by now.

All being well - you get the money you are owed (once safely working elsewhere) and the employer is rapped over the knuckles and made to pay up what they owe to your (by now) former colleagues as well.

ceridwen

FatVonD wrote: »

Do you get paid sick leave? I'd be calculating all those half hours, converting them into days and then awarding myself time off in lieu

A valid suggestion - of itself. I suspect its not possible to implement it though - as I expect O.P. only gets paid SSP for any sick leave/"sick leave" they take.

anamenottaken

millie wrote: »

My son has the same problem where he works, and when he was moaned at for not doing 'the free overtime' as he puts it. He told them that he thinks 40 hours was enough, he was told with that attitude he should work for the council. This is an office based job and he is on 6 months probation which ends in January so watch this space. I have suggested that he does it just until the 6 months has passed, but he will not. Fortunatly he has a job that is in demand so he has never had problems finding work but that may change in current times.

Nothing will magically change in January - unless his contractual notice increases or he becomes entitled to company sick pay (which may never be required to be paid) or something similar. He will have no greater job security.

At the moment he is entitled to at least one week's notice. It may be more according to his contract already.

What else will change after he has completed the 6-months probationary period?

chuckley

McD's used to do this. but u could wrangle xtra free food if it look longer than 5 mins, ie, loads of ppl finishing @ the same time.