December 2010 was ‘almost certain’ to become the coldest since records began in 1910

andykn

Generali wrote: »

Didn't the Romans grow wine in southern England too? Good wine at that.

There were also those ice fairs and some very cold winters.

It suggests to me that the temperature on earth fluctuates.

Yes, but we know why it fluctuates. In the past it's been solar activity, it was quite high in Roman times and during the MWP. It was higher during the 20th century than the 19th, which caused the warming seen during the first half of the 20th century, but reached it's "modern maximum" in the 50's so can't account for the warming seen since.

It's quite low at the moment, being not only near the bottom of the 11 year cycle but that bottom is lower than seen in the last few decades.

Global temps are still amongst the highest seen in the last few centuries. Northern Europe weather is cold at the mo because of movements in the Jet Stream, possibly due to the low solar activity:

http://www.350resources.org.uk/2010/05/06/europe-quiet-sun-means-colder-winters-in-europe-but-this-is-a-local-effect-not-a-globally-one/

andykn

Generali wrote: »

Didn't the Romans grow wine in southern England too? Good wine at that.

There were also those ice fairs and some very cold winters.

It suggests to me that the temperature on earth fluctuates.

Oh, and the Romans still had to import lots of wine. And it's now produced in Leeds.

andykn

codger wrote: »

Therre have always been cycles of climatic change and always will be. Unfortunately, unprincipled "scientists" such as that bunch at the University of East Anglia tried to hide that truth because it was an inconvenient obstacle to their flow of grant income.

The global warming lot were exposed for the profit-seekers they truly are the instant some non-scientist asked: "Why was Greenland called Greenland. . ?"

Asheron's question seems to my humble self to be relevant at this time and the Ghoulish Codpiece's response stuffed full of the very ignorance he rushes so virtuously to condemn.

Greenland was an early example of how unrestrained marketing goes wrong.

andykn

purch wrote: »

plus the river flows much faster nowadays, due to the wider spans on the main bridges

And the banks being built up.

purch

And the banks being built up

And look where that got us :eek:

Bloody Bankers !!!!

purch

Nothing, an actual quote from the Met Office scientist

And you know what quotes from the Met Office are like........

"Earlier on today, apparently, a woman rang the BBC and said she heard there was a Hurricane on the way... well, if you're watching, don't worry, there isn't!" :eek:

A._Badger

I see our resident true believer is back from worship.

I'm afraid it's simply no good just posting ' that's not true' when five minutes with Google will prove that it is.

And while we're still at it (and before you dive back onto the warimst rebuttal site looking for more half-truths) how about addressng the question I asked you several weeks ago and which you have pointedly refused to answer?

Just what did German economist and IPCC official Ottmar Edenhofer mean when in November he told a Swiss newspaper:

"First of all, developed countries have basically expropriatedthe atmosphere of the world community. But one must say clearly that we redistribute de facto the world's wealth by climate policy. Obviously, the owners of coal and oil will not be enthusiastic about this. One has to free oneself from the illusion that international climate policy is environmental policy. This has almost nothing to do with environmental policy anymore, with problems such as deforestation or the ozone hole."?

He was telling the plain truth, wasn't he? That the 'global warming' scam is simply means of forcing the redistribution of wealth, using 'the environment' as a pretext.

andykn

A._Badger wrote: »

I see our resident true believer is back from worship.

I'm afraid it's simply no good just posting ' that's not true' when five minutes with Google will prove that it is.

And while we're still at it (and before you dive back onto the warimst rebuttal site looking for more half-truths) how about addressng the question I asked you several weeks ago and which you have pointedly refused to answer?

Just what did German economist and IPCC official Ottmar Edenhofer mean when in November he told a Swiss newspaper:

"First of all, developed countries have basically expropriatedthe atmosphere of the world community. But one must say clearly that we redistribute de facto the world's wealth by climate policy. Obviously, the owners of coal and oil will not be enthusiastic about this. One has to free oneself from the illusion that international climate policy is environmental policy. This has almost nothing to do with environmental policy anymore, with problems such as deforestation or the ozone hole."?

He was telling the plain truth, wasn't he? That the 'global warming' scam is simply means of forcing the redistribution of wealth, using 'the environment' as a pretext.

You'd have to ask him, I only know about the science, like all the world's top economists, I'm equally clueless about economics.

All 5 minutes on Google will find you is an assortment of mutually contradictory "other sides" none backed up by any real evidence.

Otherwise you'd have posted some.

Linton

Also what was mentioned on today's news - it may be cold here but it is unusually warm in other parts of the world (Canada, US West Coast, Med IIRC).

So the average temperature could well be err average, or even above average.

Such is the difference between climate and weather.

FantomX

andykn wrote: »

You'd have to ask him, I only know about the science, like all the world's top economists, I'm equally clueless about economics.

All 5 minutes on Google will find you is an assortment of mutually contradictory "other sides" none backed up by any real evidence.

Otherwise you'd have posted some.

Err...there is no science. So what are you talking about?

Also, 5 seconds on google brings up climate scam-artists attempting to block FOI requests, hide data, delete data, smear people that disagree with them and also lie through their teeth to get funding.

CLIMATEGATE

:T