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One last thing, you mention that as my salary covers bank holidays, if I was to work say the 27th I should get that back in lieu? I only ask because my company are actually asking for staff to come in that day on double time, so if I was to do that, I should get both double time and the day in lieu for the time off my salary covers in the first place?
Thanks again!
If you work the day you don't use up holiday and get paid what they want to pay you.
So you don't get a day in lieu you just use less holidays.
It is very important to get the terminoligy right otherwise you can cause confusion, these are not the same.0 -
getmore4less wrote: »If you work the day you don't use up holiday and get paid what they want to pay you.
So you don't get a day in lieu you just use less holidays.
It is very important to get the terminoligy right otherwise you can cause confusion, these are not the same.
Sorry, but that's not true. Monday 27th is a bank holiday, and the organisation have said everyone has these days off as a Bank Holiday.
His contract states that he will be given 56 hours in lieu of BHs: 'In addition to your annual holiday entitlement, you will be entitled to 56 paid hours in respect of the usual 8 public holidays, although these may not necessarily be taken on the public holiday itself, depending on your working pattern'.
Therefore if he works on that day, he will get that time back.
If he chose to work his *Annual Leave* and get an extra day's pay, that would be different.
But this is a BH and he's entitled to a day in lieu for it.
KiKi' <-- See that? It's called an apostrophe. It does not mean "hey, look out, here comes an S".0 -
WHat was writen
'In addition to your annual holiday entitlement, you will be entitled to 56 paid hours in respect of the usual 8 public holidays, although these may not necessarily be taken on the public holiday itself, depending on your working pattern'.
That's extra holiday
If you work a BH you just don't use these extra holiday hours0 -
getmore4less wrote: »WHat was writen
'In addition to your annual holiday entitlement, you will be entitled to 56 paid hours in respect of the usual 8 public holidays, although these may not necessarily be taken on the public holiday itself, depending on your working pattern'.
That's extra holiday
The 56 hours are not 'extra holiday' as you refer to them! The 56 hours in his contract are part of his paid salary for the 8 BHs that the UK has. Assuming his company only offers 20 days AL, then the 56 hours are the other 8 days he is legally entitled to. If he works any of those days, he gets a day back. (If he chose to work AL then that would be debatable, but it certainly applies to BHs.)
What that contract statement is saying is that you get 8 days BH, but not necessarily on the BH itself. Sorry, I'm not being deliberately thick and trying to misunderstand you!
KiKi' <-- See that? It's called an apostrophe. It does not mean "hey, look out, here comes an S".0 -
It's clearly a confusing issue, not helped by the complete lack of info my company has provided. This has all come to a head today because many of my colleagues were only made aware they would have to work their day off this week today, and obviously many had made prior arrangements. needless to say, everyone is furiously checking their contracts at the moment!
getmore4less, I do not get paid breaks or lunches, no. And where you say I will only get paid for a bank holiday if I work it, 'What this means is you only get paid for a BH if you work it or take it as holiday', surely this cant be right as it clearly states in my contract that public holiday paid leave is SEPARATE from annual leave. Surely they cant be saying that, if I don't work or use up a day of my separate annual leave to take the day off, I won't be paid? Especially as it clearly states that I'm entitled to a paid day off! So I think I'd agree with KiKi here.
And just to clarify, no one can work the Sunday, there isn't the option to come in on boxing day, so effectively everyone is being forced to work their day off this week or take it as annual leave (which when many people have only been informed about this situation today, makes that option highly unlikely to succeed for the employee, especially when annual leave over the xmas period had to be asked for over a month ago!)
PS Kiki my contract states I have 25 days annual leave, ina ddition to the 8 days public holiday paid leave 0 -
It's clearly a confusing issue, not helped by the complete lack of info my company has provided. This has all come to a head today because many of my colleagues were only made aware they would have to work their day off this week today, and obviously many had made prior arrangements. needless to say, everyone is furiously checking their contracts at the moment!
They've certainly left it last minute to tell everyone. Very bad planning and communication!getmore4less, I do not get paid breaks or lunches, no. And where you say I will only get paid for a bank holiday if I work it, 'What this means is you only get paid for a BH if you work it or take it as holiday', surely this cant be right as it clearly states in my contract that public holiday paid leave is SEPARATE from annual leave. Surely they cant be saying that, if I don't work or use up a day of my separate annual leave to take the day off, I won't be paid?
No, it's not right. You are legally entitled to 28 days' PAID leave a year, which is (in effect) 20 days AL and 8 days in lieu of BHs. (And I've just seen that your contract entitles you to 25 + 8 days paid leave a year.) Most non-shift workers, professionals and office employees get the 8 days on the BHs themselves, because the businesses close. You get the 8 days / 56 hours - but you get them when you are told you can take them, that's all. Which may be on the BH or not.
That's all the statement is saying. So yes, you are right, they do have to pay you.And just to clarify, no one can work the Sunday, there isn't the option to come in on boxing day, so effectively everyone is being forced to work their day off this week or take it as annual leave (which when many people have only been informed about this situation today, makes that option highly unlikely to succeed for the employee, especially when annual leave over the xmas period had to be asked for over a month ago!)
And this is why it's caused confusion - because it's not a BH, but the business isn't opening!
By all means, double check with them tomorrow, but your legal entitlement is your 20 + 8, and it's clearly in your contract.
KiKi' <-- See that? It's called an apostrophe. It does not mean "hey, look out, here comes an S".0 -
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well theres an entire floor dedicated to hr, definitely worth a shot haha;)
The bad communication etc is quite infuriating because its one of the largest companies in the UK, so to let employees down like this is highly disappointing. But I guess it's best to have bad experiences, gives you something to moan about!
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getmore4less, I do not get paid breaks or lunches, no. And where you say I will only get paid for a bank holiday if I work it, 'What this means is you only get paid for a BH if you work it or take it as holiday', surely this cant be right as it clearly states in my contract that public holiday paid leave is SEPARATE from annual leave. Surely they cant be saying that, if I don't work or use up a day of my separate annual leave to take the day off, I won't be paid? Especially as it clearly states that I'm entitled to a paid day off! So I think I'd agree with KiKi here.
What you contract does is give you extra holiday hours that will cover the normal maximum number of BH
(What are they doing about the extra BH that are comming up)
You have to think of these hours a extra holiday because that is what they are, it is silly to think of them in any other way. If your annual allocation is 20(edit: OK it is 25) then these are(part) legaly statutory holidays anyway.
BH are nothing special they are just pre allocated holidays by an employer for those that normaly work them.
If you don't work a day in your normal week because it is a BH you use up holiday(which may be part of the extra allowance).0 -
ok so just for the sake of argument getmore4less, if what youre saying is correct, then theres no way they could make me work my day off this week? I think what we're going to do at work tomorrow is discuss with hr all of the possible permeatations which both yourself and kiki have touched upon, just to get things clarified once and for all. I dont mind working when I have to, but I really hate getting taken advantage of!
ps it doesnt make sense that they would make me take a day of annual leave to cover not working a day in my normal week though, because imagine the situation, like myself, of someone who doesnt have any annual leave left. i would imagine in this case the time would be worked, but seeing as this is happening to everyone, even people with many days annual leave left, this doesnt seem to add up0
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