Christmas holidays

scooby088

I agree it's a pain, but what concerns me is that you haven't got a contract by law you need to have your terms and conditions written down, something i would ask for. All i can say is i have worked for some good employers and i have never had to make the time up.

hcb42

I am not understanding confusion. You seem to be full time. You are working a FT week prior to Xmas, with the shift change, but are then getting three days in lieu. An office worker working Mon-Fri, will be in the same boat, therefore you are not penalised...? no? If you got Boxing day off, and the other three days you are better off than a colleague working Mon-Fri

getmore4less

How are you holidays worked out against normal Monday to Friday workers?


eg. do they get X+ BH and you get Y(X+BH)

What happens on other weeks that include BH.

how much holiday do you use when taking off a normal working day is it different for a Sun(short day)

citylover

ok managed to dig out my contract, this is what it says

'In addition to your annual holiday entitlement, you will be entitled to 56 paid hours in respect of the usual 8 public holidays, although these may not necessarily be taken on the public holiday itself, depending on your working pattern'.

Am I right in thinking that this means either

a) They've substituted christmas day and boxing day for the 27th and 28th and these should therefore be paid. Yet even if they are paid, why would I need to work my day off, if I'm still getting my paid holiday, albeit if the holiday has shifted slightly, why would I need to make the time this week? I'd effectively be doing a shift for free

or b) if these 2 days are not paid, then they have no right to make me work my day off this week to make up the hours I'll be missing on boxing day, if this would have been a paid public holiday in the first place? And furthermore, if I'm entitled to both Xmas Day and Boxing day paid, then shouldn't the fact that one of these days is my normal day off negate me having to work my normal day off this week?

KiKi

You usually have Thursday and Saturday off. This week, you have Saturday and Sunday off. So it's still two days off this week, you're just swapping a Sunday shift for a Thursday one.

You also get all the Bank Holidays; I'm not sure where you feel you're working an extra day?

The Mon-Fri workers are no better off than you, as they wouldn't be working on Sunday anyway. So they are also doing a 5 day week, with 2 days off, and then the Bank Holidays.

Maybe I'm missing something but I really can't see where you feel you're working an extra shift!

ETA - Xmas Day and Boxing Day aren't BHs, hence some of the confusion. They're only BHs if they fall on a weekday. Which is why you get the Mon and Tues off, as paid leave.

KiKi

citylover

ok fair comments there kiki!

Although if it turns out the 7th and 28th werent paid, then surely I'd have cause to raise that particular issue seeing as it explicitly states in my contract thatthe 2 xmas public holidays are paid, regardless of when they are?

KiKi

citylover wrote: »

ok fair comments there kiki!

Although if it turns out the 7th and 28th werent paid, then surely I'd have cause to raise that particular issue seeing as it explicitly states in my contract thatthe 2 xmas public holidays are paid, regardless of when they are?

The 27th and 28th have to be paid as they are Bank Holidays and your contract stipulates that you will either be paid for them, or paid in lieu of them if you were to work on those days.

I will assume that you are on salary (as opposed to being paid per hour) when I say this: you are effectively still 'paid' on your days off. Your salary covers:

* the days you work
* 2 days off a week
* Annual Leave (20 days?)
* 8 days to cover Bank Holidays - either taken on the BHs themselves OR if you work on a BH you get a day off in lieu

You're never 'not paid' unless you don't get the 20 + 8 + weekends every week (ie, you have to work one of those 20, or one of your weekends, or one of the BHs and you DON'T get another day off to make up for it). Does that make sense?!

As it stands, you get your weekend this week, your 5 days work, and the BHs paid next week.

If, as you suggest, for whatever reason when you got your pay packet and found you were down by 2 days' pay, yes that's a problem and you should raise it straight away.

HTH
KiKi

citylover

yeah that does make things a lot clearer, thanks so much! The company I work for has been less than clear and communicative about christmas holidays in general, so youve helped a lot!

One last thing, you mention that as my salary covers bank holidays, if I was to work say the 27th I should get that back in lieu? I only ask because my company are actually asking for staff to come in that day on double time, so if I was to do that, I should get both double time and the day in lieu for the time off my salary covers in the first place?

Thanks again!

getmore4less

citylover wrote: »

ok managed to dig out my contract, this is what it says

'In addition to your annual holiday entitlement, you will be entitled to 56 paid hours in respect of the usual 8 public holidays, although these may not necessarily be taken on the public holiday itself, depending on your working pattern'.

Am I right in thinking that this means either

a) They've substituted christmas day and boxing day for the 27th and 28th and these should therefore be paid. Yet even if they are paid, why would I need to work my day off, if I'm still getting my paid holiday, albeit if the holiday has shifted slightly, why would I need to make the time this week? I'd effectively be doing a shift for free

or b) if these 2 days are not paid, then they have no right to make me work my day off this week to make up the hours I'll be missing on boxing day, if this would have been a paid public holiday in the first place? And furthermore, if I'm entitled to both Xmas Day and Boxing day paid, then shouldn't the fact that one of these days is my normal day off negate me having to work my normal day off this week?

What this means is you only get paid for a BH if you work it or take it as holiday.

So you will be using 2 days(or hourly equivilent) holiday for the Monday and Tues.

For the Sunday the employer should have given you the holiday option, actualy they can insist on the holiday option if they want, but not the make hours up.

For a 39 hour(8*4+7) week 56 hours looks short it is based on 7 hour days.

What are your normal paid hours, do you get paid breaks?

If you don't want to work go back and tell them they need to take this as holiday.

KiKi

citylover wrote: »

yeah that does make things a lot clearer, thanks so much! The company I work for has been less than clear and communicative about christmas holidays in general, so youve helped a lot!

Glad to be of service, even at this early hour!

One last thing, you mention that as my salary covers bank holidays, if I was to work say the 27th I should get that back in lieu?

Yes - because you'd be working one of your '8' and they would owe you a day for it.

I only ask because my company are actually asking for staff to come in that day on double time, so if I was to do that, I should get both double time and the day in lieu for the time off my salary covers in the first place?

Yes, that's right. Sounds like a good deal to me if you're getting double...!

KiKi