Gas Safety check ..not done properly !x!

mandi

Hi Just looking for some advice please .

I had my yearly gas safety check done to day ( I say yearly but this one as usual was 2 months late )

Anyway the engineer did the following .

1. Looked at the control panel on the boiler.

2. Turned the gas fire on for 2 Min's

3. went into the loft .

And that was it .

I now have a certificate saying that all the tests have been done & all passed .

Where do I stand legally with this please ?

jackieglasgow

Was it a landlord's gas safety check? Or was it a safety and maintenance inspection by your service provider?

mandi

Thanks Jackie .

It was a LL gas safety check after I had to remind them that it was late yet again .

spiro

If you look here http://www.gassaferegister.co.uk/advice/gas_certificates.aspx it will tell what should be on the certificate and what checks he should make which includes things flue, air vents.

Premier_2

mandi wrote: »

Thanks Jackie .

It was a LL gas safety check after I had to remind them that it was late yet again .

It's the landlords job to ensure a CP12 is obtained in due time, not the gas engineers.

With regards to the checks, what value did he put for operating pressure? Didn't you ask him how he obtained that simply by looking at the control panel, turning it on and then going to the loft.

Not sure why he went into the loft??? Didn't you ask him why he needed to go there? (assuming you don't have a gas appliance there)

Who signed the CP12 on behalf of the landlord/tenant???

Did you check the engineers gas safe certificate before you let him anywhere near your gas appliances?

jackieglasgow

He should also be checking your meter, did he do that?

mandi

Premier wrote: »

It's the landlords job to ensure a CP12 is obtained in due time, not the gas engineers.

With regards to the checks, what value did he put for operating pressure? Didn't you ask him how he obtained that simply by looking at the control panel, turning it on and then going to the loft.

Not sure why he went into the loft??? Didn't you ask him why he needed to go there? (assuming you don't have a gas appliance there)

Who signed the CP12 on behalf of the landlord/tenant???

Did you check the engineers gas safe certificate before you let him anywhere near your gas appliances?

jackieglasgow wrote: »

He should also be checking your meter, did he do that?

Thanks for your replies guys . In answer to your questions

He is Gas Safe Registered.

Didn't check the meter outside, and gave two pressures at 12 & 15 the 1st for the fire the 2nd for the boiler.

He told me he was going into the loft to check for any leaks but no Premier there are no appliances in there .

He didn't take any readings , or take the cover off the gas fire or the boiler, and I wasn't asked to sign the form.

In all honesty he just filled out the certificate and was here about 10 mins if that .

shaven-monkey

The flue from the boiler presumably goes through the loft. He was checking for monoxide or gas leaks there.

Landlord-Certificates

Are you sure he didn't check the gas meter? He wouldnt be able to check if there any gas leaks or not without checking at the gas meter! It isn't actually a legal requirement to do this check but unsuprisingly most, if not all, gas safe registered tradesmen always do this.

What kind of gas fire was it? If it was a radiant gas fire then this should have been removed from the wall and put back again. In between the builders opening should be checked for debris and cleared. You also need to have the flue checked for integrity and clearances. Firstly it would be done visually, with a look up it and then using a smoke pellet. You would have known if a smoke pellet was used in your property as it would have left a slight smell. He would have done this test with the doors and windows closed and any fans on. 99% of gas fires have this flue flow test done. The closure plate tape should aslo be checked to make sure its actually sticking to the wall or not after the checks are done or it can be replaced. He would have gone into your loft to check if the smoke going up the chimney wasn't leaking into the loft or into a upstairs bedroom.

If he was only there for a few minutes I doubt he would have checked the appliances correctly for the heat input ratings and operating pressures. Its very easy to make these up.

The check is mostly visual and doesn't take that long but at least 15 mins is a minimum.

Also,
1, he doesn't have to take the cover off the boiler in most cases. Remember its an inspection, not a service.
2, you dont have to sign the form and neither does he legally

Renting properties also require a energy performance certificate and smoke alarm by law.

gas4you

Sorry, but on a landlord check IT IS a legal requirement to do a tightness test (check for leaks). It isn't on a standard service though.

For a LL certificate you must have a;

Tightness test and result written
Each appliance checked
Operating (burner) pressure of each appliance noted
Every appliance must be gas rated and the results noted on the certificate
Flue tests done for all open flue appliances
Ventilation checks in each room an appliance is in
Flue and its termination checked for room sealed appliances
Cookers and/or hobs checked and gas rated.
Earth bonding checked
Fuse checked at fused isolator for heating system/appliance (must be 3 amp)

These are just the basic checks, any others are in addition and just show your engineer is doing a better job.

He didn't work for Gas-Elec by any chance?

Landlord-Certificates

gas4you wrote: »

Sorry, but on a landlord check IT IS a legal requirement to do a tightness test (check for leaks). It isn't on a standard service though.

I'm sorry but you are wrong. Call the Gas Safe register and ask them. They will say you dont have to do one.
Also the Gas Installer mag, issue 162 is says there you dont have to do one under reg 36.

On a standard service I would disagree again. It's a must to test for leaks before and after working on gas appliances. How do you know your work hasn't left a gas leak or made an already present one worse?