100,000 Public Sector Jobs Gone

abaxas

Wont the government just privatise some of the work, hence moving the problem elsewhere.

Job done.

tomterm8

abaxas wrote: »

Wont the government just privatise some of the work, hence moving the problem elsewhere.

Job done.

Er, except that under the current law, the new employers would take over the existing terms of the contract, and no private sector organisation would do that unless it was guaranteed payments by the government.

Anyway, a lot of the positions are senior civil service positions where privatisation doesn't make much sense.

ILW

It's a whole different world to the one that I live in, where small companies go bust and you are lucky to get paid your last months salary.
Some of these companies do go bust due the the high level of charges and taxes that are taken by the public sector to pay their own people massive redundancy payouts and large pensions.

Sir_Humphrey

abaxas wrote: »

Wont the government just privatise some of the work, hence moving the problem elsewhere.

Job done.

They are doing that as well.

However, there is something called TUPE. The coalition I believe are to introduce a scheme for new workers in ex-public bodies to have the rights of the ex-public workers.

For some reason, Capitalist types like to make it difficult to break contracts? I wonder why?

abaxas

Sir_Humphrey wrote: »

They are doing that as well.

However, there is something called TUPE. The coalition I believe are to introduce a scheme for new workers in ex-public bodies to have the rights of the ex-public workers.

For some reason, Capitalist types like to make it difficult to break contracts? I wonder why?

Easy fix.

After the contract is up, you are free to change providers.

Tupe them off to out ourcer, contract ends, new out sourcer comes in, most staff re apply for same job. No tupe needed.

Standard business practice at most large companies / IT departments.

tomterm8

ILW wrote: »

It's a whole different world to the one that I live in, where small companies go bust and you are lucky to get paid your last months salary.
Some of these companies do go bust due the the high level of charges and taxes that are taken by the public sector to pay their own people massive redundancy payouts and large pensions.

You see, the difference is those companies have actually gone bankrupt. And, despite the propaganda the UK government hasn't.

I've got to say, a lot of these contracts were very poorly negotiated... rather like many of the private finance initiative contracts... but, if you own a small company, and you're not babkrupt, the fact is you'll be forced to fulfull your commitments.

ILW

abaxas wrote: »

Easy fix.

After the contract is up, you are free to change providers.

Tupe them off to out ourcer, contract ends, new out sourcer comes in, most staff re apply for same job. No tupe needed.

Standard business practice at most large companies / IT departments.

That wouldn't be accepted in Sir Humphries world.
His type expect that once they have got in, they are either there for as long as they chose to be (whether of any use to the organisation or not) or if they really do want to get rid of someone it should practically set them up for years and years of idleness if that is what they chose.
Fair enough in the private sector, but seems very unfair on the average taxpayer who has to fund it.

Sir_Humphrey

ILW wrote: »

That wouldn't be accepted in Sir Humphries world.

The obvious difference is that a private sector outsourcer is profit seeking, and these schemes often turn into a money pit (like with the railways).

QV Serco, Capita etc ad nauseum.

Abaxas is doubtless right about what would happen when the contract gets renewed, but that would be in the next parliament or the one after and thus do nothing towards cutting the deficit.

markharding557

The_White_Horse wrote: »

these people have had their faces in the trough long enough. they have better pay, better pensions and better standards than the private sector who pay for them all.

every public sector worker should be given a 25% pay cut instantly. if they don't like it, they can resign and get a better paid job in the private sector.

So you would be happy for nurses,doctors,surgeons whose skills don't come under a lorry from france,police and fireman to get 25% cuts would you?
You sound like a typical daily mail reader

Sir_Humphrey

markharding557 wrote: »

So you would be happy for nurses,doctors,surgeons whose skills don't come under a lorry from france,police and fireman to get 25% cuts would you?
You sound like a typical daily mail reader

I certainly doubt he works for a retailer or any company that requires people to have healthy incomes.

I suspect that his main contact with the public sector is on the Care in the Community scheme. Maybe that influences him?