Bus inspector fine!

CHR15

So Geordie Taxi's opinion is we should all hop on and off buses at a whim and never pay.

After all, not many bus fares are more than £35 so there is little chance they will do anything about it, even if they did, it is unlikely to be "enfoceable"

Wonder if he is a Taxi driver "up t'North". Maybe his passengers should simply get out and walk away without paying.
If the fare is less than £35 then there is no point in chasing is there?

Gene_Hunt_2

CHR15 wrote: »

So Geordie Taxi's opinion is we should all hop on and off buses at a whim and never pay.

After all, not many bus fares are more than £35 so there is little chance they will do anything about it, even if they did, it is unlikely to be "enfoceable"

Wonder if he is a Taxi driver "up t'North". Maybe his passengers should simply get out and walk away without paying.
If the fare is less than £35 then there is no point in chasing is there?

He he straight on the radio for six of his mates to come and beat the 5h1t out of them if they tried.:)

Stigy

I've checked First's website and I see they have their conditions of carriage, as the railways do. However, there are no apparent byelaws, having said that, their Conditions of carriage appear much more like byelaws, and appear to take that form, almost like they are meant as their byelaws. There's also no mention of Penalty Fares on their site, which makes me wonder where the £35 came from. I certainly wouldn't ignore this like a PPC, because when you board a bus, you have actually obtained a service, and of you don't pay for that service, you surely become liable for prosecution.

Gene_Hunt_2

Stigy wrote: »

I've checked First's website and I see they have their conditions of carriage, as the railways do. However, there are no apparent byelaws, having said that, their Conditions of carriage appear much more like byelaws, and appear to take that form, almost like they are meant as their byelaws. There's also no mention of Penalty Fares on their site, which makes me wonder where the £35 came from. I certainly wouldn't ignore this like a PPC, because when you board a bus, you have actually obtained a service, and of you don't pay for that service, you surely become liable for prosecution.

You wanna get out a bit more or try a friend finder site.;)

Stigy

Gene_Hunt wrote: »

You wanna get out a bit more or try a friend finder site.;)

Hehe, when I have don't know the answer to something like this I have do a search, it makes me a better person...It's almost obsessive I guess, lol.

Livingthedream

I could be wrong here, but isn't it classed as 'making off without payment' under the Theft Act 1978, so they don't need any byelaws for a prosecution.

I suppose its the same if you do a runner from a taxi, if the driver doesn't radio for six of his mates to come and beat the 5h1t out of you he can call the police to nick you.

Stigy

Livingthedream wrote: »

I could be wrong here, but isn't it classed as 'making off without payment' under the Theft Act 1978, so they don't need any byelaws for a prosecution.

I suppose its the same if you do a runner from a taxi, if the driver doesn't radio for six of his mates to come and beat the 5h1t out of you he can call the police to nick you.

Yes, although I there's a clear difference between "making off" and hanging around to explain why you can't pay. For example, if you make off without paying for your petrol at a filling station without first going in to the shop, that's theft of the fuel. However, if you go in and say you've forgotten your wallet, it becomes civil and paperwork is filled out instead.

It's the same with trains, if you do a runner with no money or ticket and a copper sees you, technically you could be arrested (well, you could be arrested if you do stick around, but this is a rarity due to various other means to resolve such matters), however, if you stick around and explain yourself, the Police are seldem needed. It's a bit different on the trains because there's different acts that have different standings in law etc, but I guess the principle is the same.

Livingthedream

Stigy wrote: »

Yes, although I there's a clear difference between "making off" and hanging around to explain why you can't pay. For example, if you make off without paying for your petrol at a filling station without first going in to the shop, that's theft of the fuel. However, if you go in and say you've forgotten your wallet, it becomes civil and paperwork is filled out instead.

So what your saying is, that because the OP gave their details it's not a criminal offence and it now becomes a civil matter chased through the small claims court.

You know I'm not a fan of Railway Byelaws, due to the fact that no other private companies have this privilege. But this case is a prime example of were a train company would use it's byelaws to prosecute but the poor relation that is the bus company has to go down the route of a civil recovery.

Not having a pop at you Stigy, just think the system sucks :beer:

Stigy

Livingthedream wrote: »

So what your saying is, that because the OP gave their details it's not a criminal offence and it now becomes a civil matter chased through the small claims court.

You know I'm not a fan of Railway Byelaws, due to the fact that no other private companies have this privilege. But this case is a prime example of were a train company would use it's byelaws to prosecute but the poor relation that is the bus company has to go down the route of a civil recovery.

Not having a pop at you Stigy, just think the system sucks :beer:

I know you're not having a pop :beer:

I wasn't actually saying that anyway, in fact, I'd forgotten what we were talking about, and got carried away thinking about your post instead, lol. I think you might be right though, unless their CoC act to serve as byelaws do, but I can't see that to be honest, as they're two different things.

I love the railway Byelaws, but only because it makes my job more effective, as I'm sure you can appreciate.

geordie_taxi

CHR15 wrote: »

So Geordie Taxi's opinion is we should all hop on and off buses at a whim and never pay.

i never said that please dont misquote me its not big and its not clever

Gene_Hunt wrote: »

He he straight on the radio for six of his mates to come and beat the 5h1t out of them if they tried.:)