Told boss I have been underpaid, now they say I owe them over 40 hours!

DCFC79

mosmof wrote: »

also; say they have lost my wage slips.. what can i do? i stressed it about 4 times to the members of staff i first consulted with if they would be okay and they said yeah; but time will tell...

do you not have copies of the pay slips then, can pay roll not get copies for you

mosmof

I had my meeting, it was horrible.

She really talked down to my saying things like 'I can see you are confused' 'What part of this do you not understand?' 'Do I need to get other people to explain this to you?'

Originally they said I owe them 42 hours, this went down to 16.5. The meeting went on for just over an hour, and it came to the conclusion that they will not ask me to pay the money back or make up the hours; which I think is strange.

She thought I only got paid single time on a Sunday (not time + half) and then said the staff handbook was wrong to when she looked at it and it wasn't until another member of staff who came in said we do then she changed her words and acted like she was never wrong in the first place!

Since the 28th November 2010 I have worked 274.75 hours overtime (I thought it was 272.50 but I made a mistake on times). With that 272.50 figure, They said they had paid me for 289 hours, resulting in an overpayment of 16.50 hours.

I decided last night to leave it, however I did another look today and on our wage slips it says how many hours overtime you've worked, including normal overtime and Sunday overtime. In total both of these figures come to 252 hours, I have worked 274.75 hours overtime, this leaves 22.75 hours which I have not been paid for.

I am to scared to have another meeting with her, so I'm going to get a second opinion from family I have in senior teams for the company.

She showed me on the computer, but it was a black screen with random numbers and week ending dates dotted around, I couldn't make sense of it.

On the paper she did her 'calculations' on, she added up that on the system I had been paid for 289 hours - yet on my payslips it says in total 252 hours. Has she made up these extra 37 hours or is it my maths? I have double checked all my calculations.

Can anyone give me any input or anything?
Thank you for all replies.

Edit:

Pay day is Friday, the cut off point is the Thursday before (8 days before).

So excluding the 3.75 hours x 2 overtime on Sunday which would be in Decembers payslip which I wrongly included above. My concept is:

> The Personnel Manager says I have been paid for 289 hours overtime

> I say I have worked 267.25 hours overtime

> My payslips say I have been paid for 252 hours overtime

This leaves 15.75 hours unpaid.

Does this make sense?

KiKi

I'm not really sure what you want people to tell you - no-one knows how many hours overtime you've done except you. Certainly no-one here can tell you what you're owed or what you owe.

The only thing that is in dispute is how many hours you've done, and whether or not they've all been recorded onto the system. The only way to resolve this is to present the hours, by day, of overtime done, then check them against the system - day by day. You can then need to dispute any discrepancies by getting evidence that you worked that day. It's no good saying "I think this is what I've worked" or "I put in a claim before but I don't know what happened with it" - you need to follow these things through in detail!

I said this in an earlier post - as has GM4L - you can't possibly debate what you're owed if you don't have a list of days and times to compare against theirs. Just work out your hours worked, compare them, then agree what was worked. Only then can you sort out payment.

All the best
KiKi

harmony10

Could the differences relate to unpaid breaks/ lunchbreaks?

dmliverpool

I have worked in a similar organisation. Some companies even state things like extra pay and privileges in their hand books, however have unwritten rules on how and when you can request them. My guess is that either your boss was having a bad day, was behind, or the books aren't balanced this month and remember from time to time bosses and even more senior directors shake the tree a little to get more from staff.

I would keep very accurate records of your time 'on' the job and off as sometimes silly breaks are counted by some bosses. Have you have any time off lately or has your performance slipped for them to question you as sometimes this is the root cause of being under paid.

On the other hand I would call the tax office just to check if your being taxed the same. This got my employer to pull there finger out to do something. The very best tip I would say is you go to work to earn money and to enjoy what you do. When they start playing with your legally earned money its time to start looking for a new role.

DCFC79

She sounds quite a nice person for a personnel manager(not),

is there not another store you could transfer to,

Caroline73_2

mosmof wrote: »

Right so I've worked out that from the best of my knowledge, i've done just below 275 hours of overtime. .

Because you cannot prove your hours and can only work on 'the best of your knowledge' you should let the 15-16 hours unpaid go and start your hours from scratch.

I know this isn't fair but unless you can prove these hours then what else can you do?

From now on check your slips everytime!

SingleSue

Is there any rule that any hours worked (including weekends and bank holidays) up to full time hours are paid at the standard rate and any hours in excess of that, paid at overtime rates?

I had that in my part time employment...even if I worked a bank holiday, if I had not worked the companies standard full time hours in that week (think it was 37.5 not including lunch breaks), I would only be paid my normal hourly rate, not the double time that bank holidays usually attracted. Once I had dribbled over the 37.5, any extra hours were then paid at the overtime rate (time and a half, double time etc dependent on Sundays, normal days or bank holidays).

getmore4less

The key with this sort of thing is FACTS and evidence helps.


You have pay slips that tell you what you have been paid so thats easy.

SO it's down to hours worked records.

You have your they have theirs compare Hour for hour agains the pay slips.

mosmof

Thanks for the replies.

Right as a new point. I think I've worked a bank holiday day off. On my holiday sheet it says 27/3/2011 and 27/06/10 as 'bank holiday entitlement days left to book'. I looked at my pay slip and it says bank holiday pay and my day off entitlement got reduced by one day. How would I go about this one?!

edit: i know i have; i've only been pay 3 sundays for that pay slip, for god sake.