Tuition fee protest

tomterm8

Given social care is largely funded by local councils, and most local councils are facing 25% cuts over the next 4 years, I think pensioners are actually going to be badly affected by these cuts. Just hasn’t made the headlines yet.

chris_m

Sapphire wrote: »

Until the last ten years, a much smaller proportion of teenagers went to university than aspire to do so now. Taxpayers – and I repeat, especially those who have not themselves been to university – should not be expected to pay for some 50% of teenagers who want to go to 'uni', often to obtain Mickey Mouse degrees.

By proportion of teenagers do you happen to mean those whose parents are unable to finance further education?
It would be faster just to type the words working class.......

Class doesn't come into it - there were simply less places available until New Labour decided to start their social engineering and set a 50% target.

StevieJ

Kohoutek wrote: »

Fair enough, perhaps making the hypothetical pension credit recipient a graduate was unnecessary, but I still think there's a huge discrepancy between the government's policy towards pensioners and virtually every other group in society – e.g. the cuts to benefits to the disabled and the unemployed, not just asking students to fork out £9,000/year.

I'd hope not even pensioners (specifically 75+ year olds) would argue that spending £500 million on giving them free TV licences would be preferable to giving more support to the disabled or the unemployed.

The thing is the cuts to benefits are designed to ease people back into work and away from the dependency culture. I do agree though that some pensioner benefits are unnecessary and should be at least be means tested.

vivatifosi

Breaking news: Charlie Gilmour, son of Pink Floyd guitarist Dave Gilmour has been arrested for his activities during the student protests. And there I was thinking he "don't need no education".

StevieJ

pqrdef wrote: »

But there's no actual reduction in spending here. If money is being poured down the drain by mass university education, it'll continue to be poured down the drain. The only change is the details of the mechanism for taking the money out of people's pockets.

I think many students will question whether it really is worth the expense to achieve that fun looking tourism degree.

leveller2911

vivatifosi wrote: »

Breaking news: Charlie Gilmour, son of Pink Floyd guitarist Dave Gilmour has been arrested for his activities during the student protests. And there I was thinking he "don't need no education".

I'll get your coat Viva.........:D

vaporate

wageslave wrote: »

I fail to see the difficulty.

It is about levelling the playing field.

Those fortunate enough to be born with a silver spoon pinned to their pram automatically have the right to a decent education. Let us at least put it within the grasp of the rest of the population.

Cameron...

But it's ok to make everyone else suffer though...

Billions is fine though for bank bailouts...

Maybe the government should close the top 10 crap performing unis?

Or would that make them unpopular with staff jobless and not get future votes?

vaporate

vivatifosi wrote: »

Breaking news: Charlie Gilmour, son of Pink Floyd guitarist Dave Gilmour has been arrested for his activities during the student protests. And there I was thinking he "don't need no education".

Well he was stupid.

Swinging on a memorial...says it all.

Best tactic by students is to not give the police the grounds to arrest them and to boycott uni in 2012.

vivatifosi

leveller2911 wrote: »

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I'll get your coat Viva.........:D

But I try all my best material on you lot .

IveSeenTheLight

tomterm8 wrote: »

Sounds a bit like the Medicare debate.

The US doesn't like nationalised medicine, but actually spends slightly more of its GDP on 'Medicare' than we do on the NHS... but thank god it's not socialist.

The reality is that the US spends about as much money per student subsidising university education as we do at the moment, in the public schools.

In addition... under these reforms, it will cost more for students to graduate from a bog standard public university in the UK, than most American students actually pay to go to an Ivy league school in the US. Because, frankly, bright kids get scholarships in the US, and many of them don’t pay anything for their education.

Scholarships apart (as there are also scholarships in the UK), I thought generally the US citizens start a University fund from birth to enable them to be able to afford the fees

First link I found shows the fee's vary between $5,000 and $30,000
http://www.graduateshotline.com/costs.html

It's interesting to see that also apparently that 30 out of the top 45 universities in the world is found in the US
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Academic_Ranking_of_World_Universities