Moisture content in logs

crphillips

Come on people....does it really matter if it's copyright or not. At the end of the day it was good info and i'm sure Stovesonline won't complain about a bit of free advertising.....and if they did they can get it removed anyway.

I think if someone was using this info on their own company website and were profiting from it then they'd have something to say about it but how it has been used on this fourm is nothing to worry about....in fact it's good for the company.

To be honest once your seen a pile of wet wood and a pile of dry wood you can tell the difference easily but a moisture metre is a great way to get the price down as it's there in black and white.

I personally think you should always be prepared to season your wood yourself. Fortunately i can fit enough wood for about 4 days around my stove so even if it's fresh it soon dries out to below 20% in a day or so.

LittleVermin

crphillips wrote: »

Come on people....does it really matter if it's copyright or not. At the end of the day it was good info and i'm sure Stovesonline won't complain about a bit of free advertising.....and if they did they can get it removed anyway.

I think if someone was using this info on their own company website and were profiting from it then they'd have something to say about it but how it has been used on this fourm is nothing to worry about....in fact it's good for the company. <snip>

I personally think you should always be prepared to season your wood yourself. Fortunately i can fit enough wood for about 4 days around my stove so even if it's fresh it soon dries out to below 20% in a day or so.

“Does it really matter”

YES. It’s theft. The same as if someone steals my chainsaw – or your moisture meter. The theft would be of ‘intellectual property’.

"copyright or not"

Moisture meters weren’t invented 70 years ago so it’s ‘IN COPYRIGHT’.

"I’m sure Stovesonline won’t complain about a bit of free advertising"

The text was originally posted WITHOUT a link.

"If someone was using this info on their own website and profiting from it"

The LAW does not distinguish. We do not know who wrote it for Stovesonline – and what the deal was. Sometimes stuff is written/produced/.. (and paid for) for just a single use. Each additional use would need to be identified and paid for.

"How it has been used on this forum is nothing to worry about"

The LAW is different to your opinion.

And if someone had not identified the cut and paste job – and posted the fact - the original poster might have been recognised as an expert – and got jobs/commissions etc (?’pecuniary reward’) as a result. He might even have got a job involving wood-burners which your business might have been well qualified for!

"They can get it removed"

Originators of work often don’t know they have been ripped off or plagiarised. This applies particularly to photographers. Guilty parties regularly pay invoices for multiples of the regular fee when found out – rather than risk a court case (which they know they’ll lose).

Intellectual property – books, plays, music, TV shows, computer code, photos, design, … is something the UK is good at. And people and businesses like JK Rowling, the Ordnance Survey and Dyson go to court to protect it.

Martin Lewis is, I’m sure, well aware of the law – which is why there are rules on the forum about posting, pasting and linking. As a last resort he is free to close the forum down: it is up to posters to abide by his rules – based on a knowledge of the law - if we want to use this free resource.

So here’s the copyright section (again! – suki1964 has already posted them) cut and pasted from Forum FAQs:
( http://www.moneysavingexpert.com/site/forum-faqs )

What are the rules on copyright?
We ask forum users not to copy long text from other publications/websites as it may breach their copyright. If you want to let people know about something you saw or read elsewhere please use short quotes and state where you got them from, preferably by giving a link to the article.

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OK, so I’m a writer – and a specialist in my own (tiny!) field, which is not copyright: I leave that to copyright lawyers.
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Now back to the topic - logs! Using the heat from a wood-burner to dry fresh wood has to be a last resort – unless you want to live in a sauna!

arty68

Although it didn't have a link it had there name in the title so I can't see them complaining,

chill out it Xmas :beer:

PS it's a lot cheaper on amazon

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Digital-Tester-Detector-Moisture-Zary/dp/B003UUFT2Q/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1292239981&sr=8-1

w50nky

arty68 wrote: »

Although it didn't have a link it had there name in the title so I can't see them complaining,

chill out it Xmas :beer:

PS it's a lot cheaper on amazon

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Digital-Tester-Detector-Moisture-Zary/dp/B003UUFT2Q/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1292239981&sr=8-1

Got the identical item off evilbay! Took a while to arrive though. Was not so much P&P at the time either. Only posting this link as an example, not a recommendation.
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/2-Pin-Digital-Moisture-Wood-Firewood-Damp-Meter-Tester-/120645124866?pt=UK_BOI_Electrical_Test_Measurement_Equipment_ET&hash=item1c17028302

Swipe

I got that same one on ebay from Hong Kong too. It took about 9 days to arrive. It does the job and beats the £15 inc P+P from amazon for a few days extra wait.

crphillips

Rules, rules, rules. Good advice worth sharing IMOA! We better watch out for the lawsuit:-). I'd guessed your were a writer.

Farnell do some good moisture meters for around a £20. I actually bought one for £20 and one for around £150 just to see how much of a difference there was between readings. There was barely any! And the one for a tenner seemed of better build quality!

These are them. The casing is rubberised and very tough:
http://cpc.farnell.com/1/1/7885-moisture-meter-st-125.html

jawjawsdad

Hi guys thanks for all the helpful replies. Didn't Know that first reply had been copied/pasted, but was full of interesting info anyway. Certainly created a bit of discussion.

LittleVermin

crphillips wrote: »

Rules, rules, rules.

... copyright regs, building regs, .. come from the same stable IMHO. Designed to protect the public, provide honest competent work and promote fair trade. Etc, etc

Agreed?

Pain in the butt, sometimes. Misused sometimes (silly 'H&S' notices)

Anyway here's a little publicity for HETAS - from http://www.hetas.co.uk/home/building_control.html

The Certificates issued by HETAS and the notifications to Local Authority are important records demonstrating that work was done legally, by registered competent businesses and individuals and records that the registered business carried out the work in accordance with Building Regulations. When people sell their houses – the information about work carried out under the Building Regulations in England & Wales is used by Solicitors on their inquiry forms and failure to demonstrate compliant work where applicable, can adversely affect the sale of properties.

I'd better not cut and paste anymore! (Lawsuit coming my way?)

And I know you'll tell us when the law is broken! (#19, Woodburning stove).

And if readers don't know why you should use a HETAS registered installer this man will tell you: http://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/showpost.php?p=39253742&postcount=12

Happy Christmas! :beer:

suki1964

Sure the rules only apply to some. Others appear to pick and choose

crphillips

I still feel that people could only benefit from the info posted originally. Be it the owner of the text or the people reading it. It win win.

I think comparing the dangers of dodging building regs and H&S is slightly different to copy & pasting text. People can die from ignoring building regs and H&S. Ridiculous comparrison.

I do feel that some rules are made to be broken but when it comes to safety there should be no corners cut.

Back to the original post thought........

Good move on getting a moisture meter


Went to sweep and service a wood fired cooker today.......it's absolutely ruined from burning wet wood. Will cost a good couple of hundred pounds to get it back to how it was and many hours of labour and some new parts.