Candidates - Things To Be Aware Of When Using A Recruitment Agency

cavework

spiritus wrote: »

A/ What on earth does that mean ?? That sounds like politician's babble (no offence). Because an agency doesn't admit it advertises "fake" jobs has nothing whatsoever to do with how a candidate interprets it although I admire the way you're trying to spin this

B/ "Admin have been slow to remove the advert"-really ? Does it take so much effort to remove a card from a window or from a website ? Are agencies so inundated with work that they don't have the time to remove adverts that were filled some weeks ago ?

A candidate can interpret it any way they like ..
Liney is right ..
a client may have 1 .. 10 .. 15 jobs to fill over a period of time. Perhaps the client has a large contract coming in with an increasing need for employees over say a month?
Some clients have an ongoing requirement for staff long term and ask the Consultant to forward anyone who might fit the bill at very short notice or even if there appears to be no vacancy, advise them if someone registers who may be suited to their company.
As a job seeker would you prefer not to have that opportunity open to you?

There is no 'spin' on this. It is actually very true

liney

spiritus wrote: »

A/ What on earth does that mean ?? That sounds like politician's babble (no offence). Because an agency doesn't admit it advertises "fake" jobs has nothing whatsoever to do with how a candidate interprets it although I admire the way you're trying to spin this

B/ "Admin have been slow to remove the advert"-really ? Does it take so much effort to remove a card from a window or from a website ? Are agencies so inundated with work that they don't have the time to remove adverts that were filled some weeks ago ?

A) Read it again. It makes perfect sense: I do not believe that the agency said the words "No, that vacancy does not exist" to you. I do believe that may have said "We'll let you know if something similar arises (because you have been unsuccessful), or "that has been filled now"... leading to statement B.

Please refer to statement C.... it can be very much out of your control.

liney

1984ReturnsForReal wrote: »

I can't remember the scheme either but it stopped this summer not 2 years ago. Unless there were two schemes.

It probably just changed it's name to something else with a slight variation of terms.

cavework

As an employer I was offered this scheme from the Job centre earlier this year. I think the applicant had to have been unemployed for 6 months . We were asked to give them one weeks trial where they would still receive Job seekers allowance but we did not pay a wage .
If it worked out , then we would employ that person on a 3 month trial (as we do all new employees)
If it didn't ' because either one of us was not happy the Job seekers allowance would not cease

spiritus

liney wrote: »

A) Read it again. It makes perfect sense: I do not believe that the agency said the words "No, that vacancy does not exist" to you. I do believe that may have said "We'll let you know if something similar arises (because you have been unsuccessful), or "that has been filled now"... leading to statement B.

Please refer to statement C.... it can be very much out of your control.

I have read it again and I will repeat again what said earlier.

Just because an agency doesn't use the words "our job advert is fake" or "that vacancy does not exist" does not mean they are not advertising jobs which no longer exist in order to get candidates through the door.

We don't need an admission from the agency that some of them are continuing with this practice but a lack of admission doesn't mean it doesn't go on.

Are you confident enough to tell us all that every single agency is clear and transparent with the way they recruit staff ? If the answer to that question is "no" then accept the fact that some people may have a point when they point to underhand tactics employed by some agencies in this country.

jay_1978

liney wrote: »

A) Read it again. It makes perfect sense: I do not believe that the agency said the words "No, that vacancy does not exist" to you. I do believe that may have said "We'll let you know if something similar arises (because you have been unsuccessful), or "that has been filled now"... leading to statement B.

Please refer to statement C.... it can be very much out of your control.

They said these words " The actual vacancy does not exist " That's the words they said to me when I was at the office, Like I said on a earlier post, Its mostly a scam to get you signed up, Not sure of your defence for them

liney

spiritus wrote: »

I have read it again and I will repeat again what said earlier.

Just because an agency doesn't use the words "our job advert is fake" or "that vacancy does not exist" does not mean they are not advertising jobs which no longer exist in order to get candidates through the door.

We don't need an admission from the agency that some of them are continuing with this practice but a lack of admission doesn't mean it doesn't go on.

Are you confident enough to tell us all that every single agency is clear and transparent with the way they recruit staff ? If the answer to that question is "no" then accept the fact that some people may have a point when they point to underhand tactics employed by some agencies in this country.

As I haven't worked every agency of course I can't say that.

What I can say is we do not have threads that state "All Hairdressers are sh1te because I had one dodgy haircut"

Generalisation attached to this line of business is rediculous, and if anyone actually knows what they are talking about the automatic answer is " Well you must be the only one, because everywhere else does X" No they don't. Some agencies are carp. Some candidates are a waste of space. Some people would rather criticise an agency for not getting them a job and neglect to mention how unsuccessful their own searches have been. Pot and Kettle.

liney

jay_1978 wrote: »

They said these words " The actual vacancy does not exist " That's the words they said to me when I was at the office, Like I said on a earlier post, Its mostly a scam to get you signed up, Not sure of your defence for them

And like I said, I simply don't believe you, so I won't pass further comment, apart from please find out what the scam is that earns them a fortune just to get you to walk through the door.

cavework

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Are you confident enough to tell us all that every single agency is clear and transparent with the way they recruit staff ? If the answer to that question is "no" then accept the fact that some people may have a point when they point to underhand tactics employed by some agencies in this country.

Are you confident enough to tell us that every person who registers with an Agency tells the Consultant the whole truth?
Some will come and register because they have to prove to the job centre they are looking for work. You can offer every vacancy going but there will always be a reason why they ' can't do that particular job'

1984ReturnsForReal_2

cavework wrote: »

As an employer I was offered this scheme from the Job centre earlier this year. I think the applicant had to have been unemployed for 6 months . We were asked to give them one weeks trial where they would still receive Job seekers allowance but we did not pay a wage .
If it worked out , then we would employ that person on a 3 month trial (as we do all new employees)
If it didn't ' because either one of us was not happy the Job seekers allowance would not cease

Now I know who you are I would like everyone to know that you were indeed a very good consultant with a conscience.

Contrary to, well lets face it, all the idiotic comments from the would be rubbish employees that certainly any consultant with half a brain would never recommend to their clients.

Anyway, as you well know I am choosing to remain anon in case of the lone internet psycho who takes a particular disliking to one of my many posts & decides to burn my house down.

If I remember rightly the only particularly bad consultant in that national agency that would indeed stuff anyone who came his way for the sake of a few quid had a problem with his legs at some stage when a baseball bat took an instant dislike to him.