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Nice people thread part 3- Nice as pie
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Also it is hard not to form an opinion based on the behaviour and demeanour of the witnesses and accused whereas in reality some people may just 'look' honest and others 'guilty' regardless of their actual guilt or innocence but how not to be swayed by our inbuilt genetic predisposition to make character judgements?
Apart from anything else, some people may be liars, indeed may be proven to be liars, but that does not mean they are lying this time round.
In fact, of course, everybody lies some of the time to some extent. It's necessary for normal social interaction.No reliance should be placed on the above! Absolutely none, do you hear?0 -
chewmylegoff wrote: »they don't say reasonable doubt anymore, the judge will now say that a guilty verdict should be given if the jury are sure that the defendent is guilty.
supposed to make it easier...
I get upset by words like sure and certain. I feel sure that, if I breathe in, the air in the room will be happy to oblige and rush into my lungs. However, I remember at uni working out the probability that, due to random motion of the molecules of air in the room, all of it will congregate in one particular corner of the room. The probability is exceptionally tiny - the sort of thing that might happen once if you waited billions of billions of times the period the universe has been in existence since the big bang. But still, should I feel completely sure of being able to breathe, having worked out mathematically the probability that the air molecules won't be there when I need them?
It's not the sort of thing that bothers me on a day-to-day basis, but it rears its ugly head when somebody talks about being completely sure, 100% sure, that sort of thing.No reliance should be placed on the above! Absolutely none, do you hear?0 -
I was in a magistrates court once for a damages case after a car crash. I was petrified, even though we were only sitting round a table. The judge had toy cars on the table to re-enact the scene and was really friendly, but I was so scared I'm sure I sounded guilty.
As it was, I won. I'm sure it was the fact that I was a mum on a school run journey as opposed to an 18 year old girl lost when driving out and about for no purpose that swung it.
I said I was held up on a roundabout and she came on to the roundabout and hit me. She said that she had right of way onto the roundabout and I pushed in from the next junction.
How could the judge really decide?
Not magistrates. Sounds like a county court small claim case. The purpose of the procedure is not to dispense justice in a case like that, but to provide a ruling, so as to enable the dispute to be resolved, and so that the parties can get on with their lives. The parties ought to be aware of the essentially arbitrary nature of the ruling in a case like that, where there's conflicting evidence, and it should have been resolved out of court with an agreed settlement.No reliance should be placed on the above! Absolutely none, do you hear?0 -
Dear oh dear! the riff-raff are even attending RA now :eek:The Duchess of Cambridge's parents attended Ladies' Day at Royal Ascot, where they avoided a vicious fight during which besuited men fought with table legs and Champagne bottles.
http://uk.news.yahoo.com/royals-dodge-ladies-day-brawl-ascot-225602435.html'Just think for a moment what a prospect that is. A single market without barriers visible or invisible giving you direct and unhindered access to the purchasing power of over 300 million of the worlds wealthiest and most prosperous people' Margaret Thatcher0 -
I was in a magistrates court once for a damages case after a car crash. I was petrified, even though we were only sitting round a table. The judge had toy cars on the table to re-enact the scene and was really friendly, but I was so scared I'm sure I sounded guilty.
As it was, I won. I'm sure it was the fact that I was a mum on a school run journey as opposed to an 18 year old girl lost when driving out and about for no purpose that swung it.
I was a witness, same reason for being on the road. It was a really creaky old man suing a 21 old guy in a white van after an accident on a narrow country lane. The old man brought a raft of little old ladies with him as his witnesses.
The crux of it was that the old guy didn't slow down for a bend, nearly crashed straight into me, swerved, hit the embankment on the side and bounced into the guy behind me, who was stationary, about 3cm from my back bumper after my emergency stop.
The old boy couldn't possibly have seen the guy behind me until he hit him, yet he had this fabulous story, obviously concocted between him and his friends that the other guy was racing with me (not true) and that we knew each other (not true), that I couldn't stop (er, new BMW and I was stopped on the actual bend in question, just moved my car after to a safer position!) and that I thought the accident was funny (I laughed with incredulity when the old boy eventually made it down to the scene of the actual accident and said "you were going some" to the lad who he couldn't possibly have seen until he'd hit him; the accident had really had my name on it, it was my lower speed, my ABS and his eventual swerve that saved me) and that I'd driven off to go and tell "the boss" (what?!)
The judges face was a picture when it was my turn to speak and the first thing that came out of my mouth was "I was driving to collect my five year old son from school, with my three month old baby in the car".
He totally buried himself. His witness described exactly what she decided had happened whilst totally contradicting herself by admitting she only 'felt' the accident and was actually just chatting away to her friend. He admitted that he was taking an unsafe bend at 30mph, couldn't entirely explain why both wing mirrors were missing and the wrong side of his car bashed up as well. It took him so long to stop even after impact that the old car just squiggled and wiggled it's way at least 50 yards up the road which I was watching from my rear view mirror, stationary. He went that far that I was totally unaware that there were four of them in the car until they all turned up in court. He also described the lovely lunch and afternoon they'd spent in Holt Heath together. :rotfl:
I was seriously worried I might have killed him though. He was really, really doddery and I don't suffer fools very gladly. I ripped a few shreds of him, but they were sooo rude about me!Everything that is supposed to be in heaven is already here on earth.
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Dear oh dear! the riff-raff are even attending RA now :eek:
http://uk.news.yahoo.com/royals-dodge-ladies-day-brawl-ascot-225602435.html
They always have done.0 -
I have never, ever bought a new washing machine or dishwasher. Time is coming I will have to buy both. Are the which guides the best indicator?
Also, those dishwashers with the tray rather than the basket for cutlery really, really appeal...does anybody have one of those, are they as good as I've been told? (I was told to get a spare tray and just change the whole tray over as needed)0 -
Not magistrates. Sounds like a county court small claim case. The purpose of the procedure is not to dispense justice in a case like that, but to provide a ruling, so as to enable the dispute to be resolved, and so that the parties can get on with their lives. The parties ought to be aware of the essentially arbitrary nature of the ruling in a case like that, where there's conflicting evidence, and it should have been resolved out of court with an agreed settlement.
You could be right. I wasn't going to settle knock for knock as it would have effected my no claims bonus. legal protection on car insurance, so the insurer sent a barrister to defend me. As did other side. Actual damage to my car turned out to cost about £300, other car had dents that they hadn't bothered to fix before the court case, so probably similar amount.
Instead we went to court, us, them, two barristers plus the repair costs, court time etc.I'm a Forum Ambassador on the housing, mortgages & student money saving boards. I volunteer to help get your forum questions answered and keep the forum running smoothly. Forum Ambassadors are not moderators and don't read every post. If you spot an illegal or inappropriate post then please report it to forumteam@moneysavingexpert.com (it's not part of my role to deal with this). Any views are mine and not the official line of MoneySavingExpert.com.0 -
lostinrates wrote: »I have never, ever bought a new washing machine or dishwasher. Time is coming I will have to buy both. Are the which guides the best indicator?
Also, those dishwashers with the tray rather than the basket for cutlery really, really appeal...does anybody have one of those, are they as good as I've been told? (I was told to get a spare tray and just change the whole tray over as needed)
Dishwashers: meile if you can stretch that amount, bosch otherwise. If you are going to do anything in your kitchen other than cook, get a quiet one.I'm a Forum Ambassador on the housing, mortgages & student money saving boards. I volunteer to help get your forum questions answered and keep the forum running smoothly. Forum Ambassadors are not moderators and don't read every post. If you spot an illegal or inappropriate post then please report it to forumteam@moneysavingexpert.com (it's not part of my role to deal with this). Any views are mine and not the official line of MoneySavingExpert.com.0 -
lostinrates wrote: »I have never, ever bought a new washing machine or dishwasher. Time is coming I will have to buy both. Are the which guides the best indicator?
Also, those dishwashers with the tray rather than the basket for cutlery really, really appeal...does anybody have one of those, are they as good as I've been told? (I was told to get a spare tray and just change the whole tray over as needed)
Yes they are that good. I managed a shop selling white goods and I would definitely recommend Miele if you can stretch to it.
Zanussi/Electrolux (same thing, different box) if you can't.
Personally, I'd get a better free standing appliance rather than a worse built in one. The price is likely to be about the same. Excepting cookers. Food goes down the side of cookers.0
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