Is is bad driving or an accident?

Strider590

MrsE wrote: »

I now have big meaty tyres

But are they winter tyre's? are they designed to stay soft/flexible in sub-zero temperatures?

MrsE wrote: »

on my little monster truck:p

Probably another victim of "im driving a 4x4, nothing can possibly go wrong"???

That's not to be offensive, it just annoys me that 4x4's are being sold all over the country on a promise that they'll be the winter/snow miracle cure.

cyclonebri1

cyclonebri1 wrote: »

The fact is Mrs E you get your wish, it is bad driving. No one else caused it and it could have been avoided????

Expect the unexpected (Read the post I started earlier today when I was caught out).:o

Everyone has to feel the effects of severe winter weather before they become a better driver, it's not something that gets learnt other than in practice.

Having said that please don't think I'm having a dig, I can't imagine there's a single person that reads this thread who hasn't experienced similar issues, consider yourself unlucky, most get away with a fright or a wheel in the ditch

I need to add;
the options you gave were toooo polarised, not bad driving just poor, and we all have been guilty of that, you've learnt yeah? so all is good;)

dzug1

Accidents are caused by bad driving by one or more people.

In this case understandable and forgiveable bad driving to be sure. 'Good' driving might have been staying at home not driving at all - not always a practical thing to do

Don't beat yourself up over it - you've obviously learnt from it and are that much a better driver.

Cool_Mint

I've made that kind of mistake myself more than once although I was luckier. As Dzug says, the right thing to do was probably to stay home, I know there have been times when I wish I hadn't taken my car out onto slippery roads.

You did make a mistake, you were driving too fast for the conditions but I know all too well how easy it is to be provoked or badgered by other drivers into going faster than you know is safe. My advice is to ignore all the honking horns, flashing of lights and "hand signals" and drive at a speed you know to be safe.

Strider590

Cool_Mint wrote: »

My advice is to ignore all the honking horns, flashing of lights and "hand signals" and drive at a speed you know to be safe.

Hmmm.... I don't agree with this at all, driving excessively slowly is likely to provoke impatient drivers into doing something VERY stupid indeed. And YES it's their funeral, but they often take out a line of innocent people too.
It's this which causes the havoc on our roads when we get a bit of snow........

If your being overtaken by car after car after car, you ARE driving too slowly!!

Driving at 5 mph when the road is clear and there's just a spot of snow on the footpath, that's just stupid.

Inactive

Strider590 wrote: »

Hmmm.... I don't agree with this at all, driving excessively slowly is likely to provoke impatient drivers into doing something VERY stupid indeed. And YES it's their funeral, but they often take out a line of innocent people too.
It's this which causes the havoc on our roads when we get a bit of snow........

If your being overtaken by car after car after car, you ARE driving too slowly!!

Driving at 5 mph when the road is clear and there's just a spot of snow on the footpath, that's just stupid.

Nobody can " Provoke impatient drivers " , they simply should not be on the roads.

We all have to be more tolerant of each other.

Cool_Mint

I agree that you can drive too slowly and I've been stuck behind sunday-drivers plenty of times but there have been many occasions where I've been driving at around 20-30mph while other drivers are doing 40-50 because I can see a hazard where they either don't see one or just don't care.

Blind bend on an out-of-town road, fresh line of mud on road = tractor. 90% of the time there's nothing on the other side of the bend but open road but when there's barely enough space to squeeze past a car coming the other way you're screwed if there's a tractor coming towards you.

It's not just the hazards you see that you have to worry about, it's the ones you don't that make you crash.

Happychappy

jayme1 wrote: »

yeah you can do skid pan courses, also you can also pay to do advanced driving (what the police get taught), if you think it can help you then it will be well worth the money.

ummm roughly similar, except for the speed element

optimus_primera

gilbert_and_sullivan wrote: »

You describe classic black ice, when melted or running water freezes into a lovely perfect transparent surface mirror clean and almost invisible.

I don't think it was your fault except maybe now you are wiser as to where such conditions can occur, you can't buy experience and knowledge you have to earn them over time and sometimes it's learned the hard way, those of us who were brought up on older more basic usually RWD vehicles maybe developed a more sympathetic 'feeling' for conditions underneath...a luxury and a pity that super equipped modern vehicles don't have that seat of your pants driving feel.

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I stuffed my Cortina mk5 into a hedge on ice,wasn't going fast as i knew the rd was bad, but round a sharp right hander, the cortina decided it was bored and wanted to change direction, nowt i could do about it.


As for 'big meaty tyres', i have been into 'offroading' for yrs,in all weathers and conditions, and when it comes to ice, the even the most agressive block pattern treads can struggle, the only sure fire bet for ice are studded tyres.
4X4's do NOT make you invincible or immune to the rd conditions.

As for driving to slowly, well i was doing 30 in in 3rd gear on untreated rds this morning, 'blipping' the throttle had the wheels spinning, but i still had 'Mr Impatient' right up my backside, he soon backed off on a sharp right hander, when the cars were wanting to go straight on ...... git.

MrsE_2

optimus_primera wrote: »

As for driving to slowly, well i was doing 30 in in 3rd gear on untreated rds this morning, 'blipping' the throttle had the wheels spinning, but i still had 'Mr Impatient' right up my backside, he soon backed off on a sharp right hander, when the cars were wanting to go straight on ...... git.

Why do people do that:mad::mad::mad:

Brain dead:mad::mad::mad:

Now I have a 4x4 it doesn't happen much, but when I had a small car it happened loads.
The sort of people who do it, are the sort of people who like to "bully" small cars.