Moon phases

Sambucus_Nigra

cootambear wrote: »

If it works for you can have $1m

http://www.randi.org/site/index.php/about-the-foundation.html

Sorry - what are you trying to say here?

In your own words......

zarazara

Its just a thought,but,as I have my own small holding and will be using my own labour,would it offend anybody if I tried ,next year, to grow and harvest by the moon cycles? Would it offend anyones sensibilities? I could compare with previous years results,and judge,in my own opinion,if there is any benefit or not to using this system. I do know that often our lambs,calves and foals have been born around the full moon,even if the mother has gone over-term, so I guess,from my own experience there is some influence. Will be giving this system a go,was just wondering if anyone else had tried these methods,to compare notes,so to speak, I do not need a lecture by anyone who doesnt agree,its up to them to plant conventionally if they wish, I wont try to stop them,their choice.

Sambucus_Nigra

zarazara wrote: »

Its just a thought,but,as I have my own small holding and will be using my own labour,would it offend anybody if I tried ,next year, to grow and harvest by the moon cycles? Would it offend anyones sensibilities? I could compare with previous years results,and judge,in my own opinion,if there is any benefit or not to using this system. I do know that often our lambs,calves and foals have been born around the full moon,even if the mother has gone over-term, so I guess,from my own experience there is some influence. Will be giving this system a go,was just wondering if anyone else had tried these methods,to compare notes,so to speak, I do not need a lecture by anyone who doesnt agree,its up to them to plant conventionally if they wish, I wont try to stop them,their choice.

No of course it won't - neither is it their business!

You do it the way you want to. And enjoy!

cootambear

Sambucus_Nigra wrote: »

Sorry - what are you trying to say here?

In your own words......

That if it works for you all you have to do is demonstrate it and you get $1m !

Easy money.

Sambucus_Nigra

cootambear wrote: »

That if it works for you all you have to do is demonstrate it and you get $1m !

Easy money.

Growing by the moon is not any of those things....perhaps that is the first flaw in your argument.

cootambear

Growing by the moon is derived from occult practices. I am sure that the vast majority of its practitioners are not self styled mediums, clairvoyants, satanists, wizards, witches, warlocks, or whatever, but that is its foundation.

gardenroute

Lunar phases and seizure occurrence: Just an ancient legend?

1. P. Polychronopoulos, MD,
2. A. A. Argyriou, MD,
3. V. Sirrou, MD,
4. V. Huliara, MD,
5. M. Aplada, MD,
6. P. Gourzis, MD,
7. A. Economou, MD,
8. E. Terzis, MD and
9. E. Chroni, MD, PhD

+ Author Affiliations

1. From the Department of Neurology, University of Patras Medical School, Rion-Patras, Greece.

1. Address correspondence and reprint requests to Dr. Panagiotis Polychronopoulos, Department of Neurology, University of Patras Medical School, 26504, Rion-Patras, Greece; e-mail: [EMAIL="ppolychr@yahoo.gr"]ppolychr@yahoo.gr[/EMAIL]

Abstract

The authors retrospectively reviewed all neurologic records of an emergency unit from 1999 to 2003 to identify a potential association between lunar phases and seizure occurrence. Overall 859 patients admitted for seizure occurrence were divided into the four quarters of the synodic month according to moon phases. A significant clustering of seizures around the full moon period was observed, supporting the ancient belief of periodic increased seizure frequency during full-moon days.

Footnotes

Additional material related to this article can be found on the Neurology Web site. Go to www.neurology.org and scroll down the Table of Contents for the May 9 issue to find the title link for this article.
Disclosure: The authors report no conflicts of interest.
Received September 12, 2005. Accepted in final form January 19, 2006.




Just saw this, apparently the mythical moon can affect the human mind; it was also an old-wives tale. Not sure if any of the doctors listed are Nazis though.

zarazara

I have indicated to the moderators that some posters are posting what amount to abusive off-topic deliberately provoking replies, and there appears to be a particular couple of people engaged in an on going argument. My original post was to ask if anyone had tried growing by the moon phases. I do not see what winning money,the nazis or the occult has to do with this. Either people have planted and harvested produce by the moon or they have not and if they have I wish to ask them did they think they had an improvement in quality and taste. I do hope the moderators now lock this thread or remove it altogether. It is pointless asking a perfectly normal sensible question if people are going to try to turn the thing into their own particular bandwagon.

cootambear

Well heres the problem;
You will remember earlier that I commented on the witch doctor Kollestrom qouting 6 alleged studies on the efficacy of biodynamics. He cherry picked the ones that suited him.

This is a genuine study (the Greek), I have no doubt. However it is one study, if one were so inclined, the ultimate cherry pick.You will see below the cnp (sorry) that compares over 100 studies and finds no correlation between the moons phases and human behaviour. I find that convincing.

While probably harmless in this particular case, one study is far from enough. Take Dr Wakefield and his MMR study. Despite being only one study it was blasted all over the media creating a panic amongst parents who would not give their children jabs for fear of autism and led to large outbreaks of measles.

Therefore although `biodynamic` gardening is harmless in and of itself - unless people are buying supplies from these jew baiting nut jobs - the spread of pseudoscientific beliefs and dismissal of the scientific method is very dangerous indeed (as I pointed out earlier it has killed hundreds of thousands of AIDS victims in Africa).

I am a sceptic. I do not take the claims of anyone, including the drug companies at face value. I know that studies that do not back up their claims of the efficacy of a certain drug are often quietly buried away. One study is not enough.

In short, we should keep an open mind, but not so open that our brains fall out.

I heartily recommend Ben Goldacre`s book `Bad Science`.


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full moon and lunar effects
The full moon has been linked to crime, suicide, mental illness, disasters, accidents, birthrates, fertility, and werewolves, among other things. Some people even buy and sell stocks according to phases of the moon, a method probably as successful as many others. Numerous studies have tried to find lunar effects. So far, the studies have failed to establish much of interest. Lunar effects that have been found have little or nothing to do with human behavior, e.g., the discovery of a slight effect of the moon on global temperature,* which in turn might have an effect on the growth of plants. Of course, there have been single studies here and there that have found correlations between various phases of the moon and this or that phenomenon, but nothing significant has been replicated sufficiently to warrant claiming a probable causal relationship.

Ivan Kelly, James Rotton and Roger Culver (1996) examined over 100 studies on lunar effects and concluded that the studies have failed to show a reliable and significant correlation (i.e., one not likely due to chance) between the full moon, or any other phase of the moon, and each of the following:


-the homicide rate
-traffic accidents
-crisis calls to police or fire stations
-domestic violence
-births of babies
-suicide
-major disasters
-casino payout rates
-assassinations
-kidnappings
-aggression by professional hockey players
-violence in prisons
-psychiatric admissions [one study found admissions were lowest during a full moon]
-agitated behavior by nursing home residents
-assaults
-gunshot wounds
-stabbings
-emergency room admissions [but see]
-behavioral outbursts of psychologically challenged rural adults
-lycanthropy
-vampirism
-alcoholism
-sleep walking
-epilepsy
If so many studies have failed to prove a significant correlation between the full moon and anything, why do so many people believe in these lunar myths? Kelly, Rotton, and Culver suspect four factors: media effects, folklore and tradition, misconceptions, and cognitive biases. A fifth factor should be considered, as well: communal reinforcement.

cootambear

zarazara wrote: »

I have indicated to the moderators that some posters are posting what amount to abusive off-topic deliberately provoking replies, and there appears to be a particular couple of people engaged in an on going argument. My original post was to ask if anyone had tried growing by the moon phases. I do not see what winning money,the nazis or the occult has to do with this. Either people have planted and harvested produce by the moon or they have not and if they have I wish to ask them did they think they had an improvement in quality and taste. I do hope the moderators now lock this thread or remove it altogether. It is pointless asking a perfectly normal sensible question if people are going to try to turn the thing into their own particular bandwagon.

I presume you mean me as one of those two?
This has been a discussion not an argument. Why arent people allowed to disagree unless they resort to personal abuse?
As far as I am aware, the only instance of abuse was when I was called a !!!!!!.
Where have I been abusive? Unless you mean disagreeing with the occult is a form of abuse?