RPI to CPI Early Day Motion 1032

Ripoff_2

Armed Forces Pension and switch from RPI to CPI

Gisela Stuart supports the call for Armed Forces Pensions to remain linked to RPI, in response to the Government’s proposal to permanently switch AF Pensions to CPI. Cross party support has been generated, along with an EDM to raise the debate. EDM 1367 31-1-11 Indexation of benefits and pensions for armed service personnel That this House recognises and honours the immense courage and patriotism shown by UK armed service personnel and their dependants; commits to providing them with the highest levels of support and reward; notes with concern the Government’s proposed permanent switch to the consumer prices index from the retail prices index for the annual indexation of benefits and pensions since this represents a year-on-year reduction which will impact when the economy has returned to growth; further notes the cumulative financial loss this will cause service personnel...

http://www.giselastuartmp.co.uk/armed-forces-pension-and-switch-from-rpi-to-cpi/

StevieJ

It looks like there is a pecking order in the public sector hierarchy I dare say it is similar in Tunisia and Egypt.

MEY_3

Hi "Bendix" Thanks for the replies. I can see now you have really lost it. I feel a fool for having taken you seriously. The admission of blind prejudice is at least honest. For your information I can prove you wrong. I don't and never have owned let alone worn a cardigan, nor a shirt with pocket to work, old boy. What's more I can think of few cardigan wearers (male that is) that I worked alongside. Not that that is either relevant nor outrageous even if I or anyone else had.
Oh, and we have taken care of our own pensions (well at least we thought we had) - our employers pay them.

As for economic nous I cannot see where you have it. Inflation means all wages and costs etc, are chasing to keep up with value. If the index used is not accurate that means people are either losing income value, or if over-estimated, gaining income value. Though in the "pure" scenario CPI across the board would seem to have less impact the reality is it would never truly be implemented entirely across the board. The majority would undoubtedly be affected though. Anyway, what is the point of any measure of inflation that is inaccurate? An attempt should be made to use an accurate measure not an expedient one. Using your argument it is then just as sensible to have none at all? Except that would penalise non-earners, retirees and savers of course.
Finally, another blinding piece of honesty from you; "I don't really care that much about your pension". Well, I don't expect you do, especially as you intend living abroad as I understand. But if you really don't care why are you on this thread at all? Just to try and sound off about the public sector methinks. Yawn!

Old_Slaphead

Interested_Taxpayer wrote: »

Quite. Now off to bed you go Old Slaphead and an early flight to Thailand for you bendix.

On with the fight against wrong doing.

I try to ignore you but your Holy War keeps luring me back.

Fight the good fight with all thy might etc etc....

Interested_Taxpayer

Ripoff wrote: »

Armed Forces Pension and switch from RPI to CPI

Gisela Stuart supports the call for Armed Forces Pensions to remain linked to RPI, in response to the Government’s proposal to permanently switch AF Pensions to CPI. Cross party support has been generated, along with an EDM to raise the debate. EDM 1367 31-1-11 Indexation of benefits and pensions for armed service personnel That this House recognises and honours the immense courage and patriotism shown by UK armed service personnel and their dependants; commits to providing them with the highest levels of support and reward; notes with concern the Government’s proposed permanent switch to the consumer prices index from the retail prices index for the annual indexation of benefits and pensions since this represents a year-on-year reduction which will impact when the economy has returned to growth; further notes the cumulative financial loss this will cause service personnel...

http://www.giselastuartmp.co.uk/armed-forces-pension-and-switch-from-rpi-to-cpi/

Thanks Ripoff. This is very good news for us. The Tory's will want to sign up in droves but the Libcon Government know that to do it in isolation would cause them great if not impossible difficulty. :T

BoxerfanUK

Old_Slaphead wrote: »

I endorse Bendix's view that you've only started protesting now that there's a little pain inflicted on you - oblivious to what's been happening in the rest of the pension arena for a long time.

I refer the 'honourable' 'gentleman' to the answer I gave some moments ago :rotfl:

Old_Slaphead

BoxerfanUK wrote: »

However, the one thing I DIDN'T do (unlike you and old d***head) was to go onto forums slagging off 'private' sector workers, effectively saying that they deserve all they got when it wasn't of my concern! Maybe you should try and do the same and BUTT OUT, as looking at both of your latest arguments you are running out of things to say and all you achieve is showing your own selfish bitterness. Problem is, some of the other posters on here come up with much more reasoned and intelligent arguments than you could ever even dream of. In fact, some of them even try to bring you on side and make you understand that the private sector will also eventually be affected by this too, and still you go on!!

BoxerfanUK - this is a public forum for public debate - not your own private website. The purpose of posting threads is to debate issues in a reasoned manner not simply dismiss others without the samme views as yourself.

Anyway, precisely when did I 'slag off' public sector workers?

Has it ever occurred to you that your arguments may be, in other peoples opinion, wrong or unjustified? I'm trying to offer honest opinion as to why that may be so.

And finally, let's try not to be rude & be 'honourable gentlemen' about this - no need to resort to childish namecalling eh?

bendix

BoxerfanUK wrote: »

Bottom line is, you imply that you have no traditional pension as such, so you don't want any other b***er to have one either!! Whether they've paid into it all their lives or not.

Define 'traditional pension'. I have a personal pension plan which I have worked hard over the last couple of years - making considerable personal and lifestyle sacrifices - to acquire.

Because, you see, I prefer to take care of myself and my future, unlike you lot who think only of how others must take care of you.

bendix

Old_Slaphead wrote: »

BoxerfanUK - this is a public forum for public debate - not your own private website. The purpose of posting threads is to debate issues in a reasoned manner not simply dismiss others without the samme views as yourself.

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Quite right. This was such a cozy, mutually congratulatory thread in which people slapped each other on the back for sending turgid emails to politicians thinking it would make a difference.

And then they get dissenting views, and they get all hot and bothered under the collar.

So typical of the 'WIFM' culture of both this thread, this forum and - frankly - modern British society.

MEY_3

"Bendix" Please show me where you have posted even one reasoned, dissenting view on the change from RPI to CPI, the purpose of this thread? No. All we have heard from you is increasingly puerile waffle exposing self-righteous predjudice against people who have worked in the public sector. Personally I'd be quite happy to see you and your ilk disappear to Thailand as soon as possible - but I doubt that would stop your ravings on issues where you plainly have nothing intelligent to say.
I shall endeavour to ignore you from now on but your crass outpourings, completely irrelevant to the issue - not dissenting views as you purport - do have an high irritation value I acknowledge as well as no shred of logical, reasoned debate. Still, your comments do tell us far more about you than anything you try to lay out our door. Now instead of berating us get on and enjoy working towards that golden retirement you plan for yourself.

Nor "Slaphead" have you ever demonstrated as far as I recall why opposing the change from RPI to CPI is "unjustified". I warrant I understand that you disagree but why is it unjustified? CPI is not a more accurate measure of personal inflation for pensioners than RPI. Even the IFS agree with that. So where is the argument? It is a pure cost-cutting arrangement but one without any foundation of reasoning, dressed up as a rational change toward more accuracy. If this was done because of the dire state of public finances as a short term measure that may have some support from those affected, but it isn't. It is a means of trying to permanently wriggle out of a contract to raise pensions in line with inflation. Inflation as it affects ordinary people, not the notional sort that the EU uses to compare nation to nation.
I'm sure no one would get "hot under the collar" if posters kept within terms of the issue and not use it as a launch pad for ill thought out twaddle, Bendix.