shameful probable cut to access scheme to uni

Loanranger

Oldernotwiser wrote: »

Rather depends on the length of your historical perspective!

In living memory.

Oldernotwiser

Loanranger wrote: »

In living memory.

Whose memory? Someone of 20 or someone of 80?

Loanranger

Oldernotwiser wrote: »

Whose memory? Someone of 20 or someone of 80?

Yours and mine!

melancholly

Loanranger wrote: »

University should teach you how to evaluate arguments and produce a reasoned response.
Have you missed that class?

it did! i didn't!

life should teach you to have manners (which are free, remember!) and put your message across in a manner which doesn't undermine your point by making you look both smug and poorly informed.

perhaps if you are from an older generation, you might remember that you didn't have to pay fees. however, access to uni was to a small proportion of the population, where those with wealth at private schools had far far more of a chance. i don't think that anyone would argue that that isn't true....

Loanranger

melancholly wrote: »

it did! i didn't!

life should teach you to have manners (which are free, remember!) and put your message across in a manner which doesn't undermine your point by making you look both smug and poorly informed.

perhaps if you are from an older generation, you might remember that you didn't have to pay fees. however, access to uni was to a small proportion of the population, where those with wealth at private schools had far far more of a chance. i don't think that anyone would argue that that isn't true....

I think you have made assumptions which are based on your prejudices rather than on facts and this is what I meant by not being able to evaluate and to make a reasoned argument.

I did pay fees for my two degrees, both through the Open University.
I did not attend a fee paying school.
My family background is working class not wealthy at all.

I think you have made my point for me.

melancholly

what point? historically, university was only accessible to those who were wealthy but recently, access has massively improved - but for most unis much more still needs to be done to encourage more state school students to apply.

fwiw, it isn't anything to do with 'you'. i'm talking about generalisations. if you can't see that uni used to be a privilege of wealth, then i can't say anything that will change that. congratulations for both of your degrees and congratulations on your background...... i don't come from a family that had ever been to uni and i'm proud of all three of mine (if you want to enter into a who has the most certificates content - which i think is entirely irrelevant ). that makes me want to improve access further, rather than say 'i did it, that means everyone can'.

anyway, the point is that plenty of people do think access schemes help (although some indeed may be rubbish - you never get everything up to same standard!). the government doesn't value them. i think that is a sad indication of their priorities. whether you think that's reasonable is your choice..... i stand by my statement and i genuinely think the way in which you post completely undermines any point you are trying to make!