Europe-Am I missing something?

ILW

Procrastinator333 wrote: »

It isn't us buying from them that is the problem.

It is us selling to them. Last month, we missed out on a tender for £300k. We had the best product at the best price. Why did we miss out? Because the Asain government in question would only buy from a local company.

If we were tendering in Europe, that would not be an issue.

I don't like the power sharing. I don't like the waste. But for me, they are entry prices worth paying to get in to the single market.

You totally missed my point.

If Germany pulled out of the EU, you have agreed we would not stop buying there cars, so I would suspect that if Britain pulled out of the EU then the Germans would not stop buying our products (assuming they were good enough). So what is the need for this massive bureacracy which does not seem to give the japanese, Koreans, Chines etc any problems?

A._Badger

Procrastinator333 wrote: »

You don't work in a business that engages in international trade do you? Or if you do, you have nothing to do with the actual trading.

Well that's your first mistake. I do and I do.

I shan't bother answering the rest as you clearly can't understand even the simplified explanation of why what you have written is complete rubbish.

des_cartes

ILW wrote: »

You totally missed my point.

If Germany pulled out of the EU, you have agreed we would not stop buying there cars, so I would suspect that if Britain pulled out of the EU then the Germans would not stop buying our products (assuming they were good enough). So what is the need for this massive bureacracy which does not seem to give the japanese, Koreans, Chines etc any problems?

Do you think if the UK pulled outof Europe that Germany, France et al would buy more or less from the UK?

Procrastinator333

ILW wrote: »

You totally missed my point.

If Germany pulled out of the EU, you have agreed we would not stop buying there cars, so I would suspect that if Britain pulled out of the EU then the Germans would not stop buying our products (assuming they were good enough). So what is the need for this massive bureacracy which does not seem to give the japanese, Koreans, Chines etc any problems?

No - I stated they would not stop us buying their products. That is very different to us not buying their products.

If you are not part of the club, they will act together to give themselves better terms. Especailly in tougher times. Hence why you find Asain government who only buy from local companies. An EU state can't do that to a UK company.

The UK does something like 50% plus of international trade with the EU. To pull out of that trading group would imo be catastrophic for the UK economy.

des_cartes

Procrastinator333 wrote: »

No - I stated they would not stop us buying their products. That is very different to us not buying their products.

If you are not part of the club, they will act together to give themselves better terms. Especailly in tougher times. Hence why you find Asain government who only buy from local companies. An EU state can't do that to a UK company.

The UK does something like 50% plus of international trade with the EU. To pull out of that trading group would imo be catastrophic for the UK economy.

Especially at a time when as a country the UK needs more exports and less consumption.

A._Badger

ILW wrote: »

You totally missed my point.

The ability of Euroweenies to miss the point is so common that you can't help wondering if it isn't deliberate.

We were led into this farce by second rate businessmen whining that they wouldn't be able trade unless we handed over our sovereignty to a bunch of unelected bureaucrats. And when we did, what happened? A large nmber of them took their profits and ran - hence the list of British companies subsequently taken over by our 'colleagues', ranging from major utility companies to insurance giants, to food producers.

Of those that did stay in business, few have exactly sparkled. Remember Arnold Weinstock's once mighty GEC?

So there we are. The country bled, our political and legal systems subverted and heaven knows what else, for the sake of business sector that can't work out how Asia manages to get along without the creation of a supra-national government.

Procrastinator333

A._Badger wrote: »

Well that's your first mistake. I do and I do.

I shan't bother answering the rest as you clearly can't understand even the simplified explanation of why what you have written is complete rubbish.

Why not get your head of your butt and debate in a reasonable manner? If I'm wrong, explain why you think so, don't just throw your toys out of the pram, it just makes you look rahter pathetic.

I'm an accountant and I see all of the contract and taxation issues that we come across. What is your role and view over the trade your company does? Have you never had issues trading outside of the EU? The added layers of taxation issues (and costs), compliance issues, local statutory requirements, the local bias from buyers and governments?

des_cartes

A._Badger wrote: »

The ability of Euroweenies to miss the point is so common that you can't help wondering if it isn't deliberate.

We were led into this farce by second rate businessmen whining that they wouldn't be able trade unless we handed over our sovereignty to a bunch of unelected bureaucrats. And when we did, what happened? A large nmber of them took their profits and ran - hence the list of British companies subsequently taken over by our 'colleagues', ranging from major utility companies to insurance giants, to food producers.

Of those that did stay in business, few have exactly sparkled. Remember Arnold Weinstock's once mighty GEC?

So there we are. The country bled, our political and legal systems subverted and heaven knows what else, for the sake of business sector that can't work out how Asia manages to get along without the creation of a supra-national government.

Possibly due to Asian companies having a cost advantage due to paying sweatshop wages. A business model that UKIP would presumably want to emulate.

Procrastinator333

A._Badger wrote: »

The ability of Euroweenies to miss the point is so common that you can't help wondering if it isn't deliberate.

We were led into this farce by second rate businessmen whining that they wouldn't be able trade unless we handed over our sovereignty to a bunch of unelected bureaucrats. And when we did, what happened? A large nmber of them took their profits and ran - hence the list of British companies subsequently taken over by our 'colleagues', ranging from major utility companies to insurance giants, to food producers.

Of those that did stay in business, few have exactly sparkled. Remember Arnold Weinstock's once mighty GEC?

So there we are. The country bled, our political and legal systems subverted and heaven knows what else, for the sake of business sector that can't work out how Asia manages to get along without the creation of a supra-national government.

So your real issue is with the transfer of pwer to the EU instead of free trade itself?

A different point and one I would agree with you in the most part. But sacrificing a limited amount of power to the EU is worth it to stay in the trading block.

A._Badger

Procrastinator333 wrote: »

Why not get your head of your butt and debate in a reasonable manner? If I'm wrong, explain why you think so, don't just throw your toys out of the pram, it just makes you look rahter pathetic.

I've already given the answer once. How many more times do you need it?

There is no way on earth that German, French and Italian exporters or owners of businesses operating in this country would allow the erection of tariff barriers that threatened their lucrative market here.

I know it, most businessmen know it and if you are, as you claim to be, any sort of accountant, then you ought to know it, too.