Europe-Am I missing something?

Procrastinator333

I see the importance of the single market at work. I'm sure it is the same for many other businesses.

You try to sell to Germany, France, etc, etc, and it is relatively easy. You can sell to the government or local firms without too much fuss.

Compare that to selling to Asia and the middle east. Double taxation treaties, withholding taxes, certificate of residency forms. Governments that will only contract with locally registered companies which then forces you to have subsidiaries or branches all over the place.

Trade with the EU is very much easier than trade with the rest of the world.

Could they do it more efficiently - Yes. But even if it cost 10X as much, it would probably still be worth paying imo.

des_cartes

Generali wrote: »

If the UK wasn't a member of the EU then they would risk not having unfettered access to the Single Market. It is very unusual for non-EU members to have said access, non-EU companies will have import taxes applied on many of their exports to the EU.

They may also have to pass extra regulatory rules and regulations, eg have to have their products pass safety checks in their local market and in the EU too whereas if you pass a safety check in the UK at present, you can sell your products in a market of hundreds of millions of people, most of whom have some disposable income.

Access to the Single Market is probably worth tens of billions of pounds to British importers and exporters.

The UK's net contribution to the EU budget is about EUR2,750,000,000. Not a huge amount in the grand scheme of things.

2.75 bn compares to 21 bn wasted on housing benefit in order to keep rents and house prices too high and fund btl leeches and banksters.

nearlynew

It's all massive con.

Just another beurocratic layer of lying thieves that we have to pay for.


The costs far outweigh the benefits for any ordinary person in any member country.

ILW

Procrastinator333 wrote: »

I see the importance of the single market at work. I'm sure it is the same for many other businesses.

You try to sell to Germany, France, etc, etc, and it is relatively easy. You can sell to the government or local firms without too much fuss.

Compare that to selling to Asia and the middle east. Double taxation treaties, withholding taxes, certificate of residency forms. Governments that will only contract with locally registered companies which then forces you to have subsidiaries or branches all over the place.

Trade with the EU is very much easier than trade with the rest of the world.

Could they do it more efficiently - Yes. But even if it cost 10X as much, it would probably still be worth paying imo.

Why does that require any more than a free trade agreement?

des_cartes

nearlynew wrote: »

It's all massive con.

Just another beurocratic layer of lying thieves that we have to pay for.


The costs far outweigh the benefits for any ordinary person in any member country.

How do you know that?

Procrastinator333

ILW wrote: »

Why does that require any more than a free trade agreement?

If you can talk all EU states in to agreeing to that, then go for it, I would be very much in favour of it.

But that is not an option is it? Once you have a large group of politicians, it is all about compromise and will inevitably become bloated as it has done.

But it is still far better to be where we are today then have no free trade with the EU at all.

ILW

Procrastinator333 wrote: »

If you can talk all EU states in to agreeing to that, then go for it, I would be very much in favour of it.

But that is not an option is it? Once you have a large group of politicians, it is all about compromise and will inevitably become bloated as it has done.

But it is still far better to be where we are today then have no free trade with the EU at all.

Still don't see it, if for example Germany pulled out of the EU do you suppose Brits would stop buying BMWs and Mercedes?

nearlynew

des_cartes wrote: »

How do you know that?

Because logic dictates that it cannot be any other way.


Every pound or euro that any ordinary working person contributes is a pound or euro less to spend on what they want to spend it on.

Individuals spend money far more efficiently than governments.

The eu is a vile, corrupt and sinister organisation. Run by liars and thieves for liars and thieves.

Procrastinator333

ILW wrote: »

Still don't see it, if for example Germany pulled out of the EU do you suppose Brits would stop buying BMWs and Mercedes?

It isn't us buying from them that is the problem.

It is us selling to them. Last month, we missed out on a tender for £300k. We had the best product at the best price. Why did we miss out? Because the Asain government in question would only buy from a local company.

If we were tendering in Europe, that would not be an issue.

I don't like the power sharing. I don't like the waste. But for me, they are entry prices worth paying to get in to the single market.

StevieJ

des_cartes wrote: »

2.75 bn compares to 21 bn wasted on housing benefit in order to keep rents and house prices too high and fund btl leeches and banksters.

Kettle calling pot black :T STR attempted profiteer calling BTL leeches, BTW the leeches that probably put a roof over his head while his hoped for crash occurs It takes all sorts, the only thing is the 30 people who read this board are not going to help drive the market down.