Are the Atos Medical Tests Illegal ?

Oldernotwiser

The regulations seem to have been amended in April of this year, to read "a doctor or other healthcare professional".

http://www.nwdial.org.uk/training%20files/fit%20note%202010.pdf

dmg24

WhiteHorse wrote: »

In which case you are put to proof.

What would like - my certificates? :T

RazWaz

If a doctor signs off another professional's opinion they are accepting responsibility. Thus, should the decision of any Healthcare Professional be signed off by a doctor that doctor is accepting responsibility for the decision. Repeatedly accepting decisions of other healthcare professionals' administered tests calls where those decisions are called into question and overturned upon appeal calls into question the judgement of the doctor. Professionals have a professional interest in only signing off items that are not overturned on appeal. A process that repeatedly turns up false positives is detrimental to professional standing.

If doctors make decisions that are overturned on appeal then their next decision is regarded by their professional peers as being less reliable.

Oldernotwiser

RazWaz wrote: »

If doctors make decisions that are overturned on appeal then their next decision is regarded by their professional peers as being less reliable.

Neither doctors nor health professionals decide whether someone should receive benefits.

RazWaz

Oldernotwiser wrote: »

Neither doctors nor health professionals decide whether someone should receive benefits.

Correct. But DWP Decision Makers support their decisions upon the professional decisions of Doctors or Healthcare Professionals. DWP Decision Makers fail in their duty of care if they come to a conclusion based upon faulty supporting decisions. That not only detracts from he Healthcare Professionals' reputations but generates false negative decisions which reduce the reliability of any decisions.

richard9991

many nurses take extra training these days to become nurse practioners and can trea diagnose and prescribe meds for many illness so are prob well capable of doin an esa assesment.

cit_k

richard9991 wrote: »

many nurses take extra training these days to become nurse practioners and can trea diagnose and prescribe meds for many illness so are prob well capable of doin an esa assesment.

They dont even need that - the assessments are not there to diagnose illness, or treat patients, or offer any advise to them.

They only training realistically needed (if you forget about legislation, and think real world for a moment) is to be able to operate a computer (terminal).

hrafndot

dmg24 wrote: »

What would like - my certificates? :T

It's quite rational, if you are putting yourself forward as an authority on a particular subject then it is reasonable for people to want to check the currency of your opinion and your background. Maybe something in your profile or your signature would help.

WhiteHorse

dmg24 wrote: »

What would like - my certificates?

Uh, no. The proof with regard to the statement as to fact [qv Soolin].

WhiteHorse

RazWaz wrote: »

DWP Decision Makers support their decisions upon the professional decisions of Doctors or Healthcare Professionals ...

All true.

But something else needs to be factored in - the LIMA software that Atos insists on examiners using.

Atos LIMA software distorts PCA results. LIMA's operation at odds with Law. Medical examiners discouraged from using descriptors not supplied by Atos. [Examples and quotes from Commissioners reports].
Source: Child Poverty Action Group: Welfare Rights Bulletin 189 Dec 2005.
www.cpag.org.uk/cro/wrb/wrb189/computer.htm