2.8 million delaying parenthood due to housing costs

ninky_2

Orpheo wrote: »

The life without work that you aspire to for children is something I find hard to view as a positive thing. .

i don't aspire to a life without work per se. rather that they should be freed from the economic imperatives of. this means that rather than having to be motivated by money (to meet their basic needs), they can be motivated to meet higher needs. you state that i am motivated by money. money motivation is a necessity of poverty. it is the rich who can afford the indulgence of not being motivated by money. i look at it like this - if you are starving you are motivated only to feed yourself. if you have an assured food supply you can move beyond that onto higher needs and desires.

Percy1983

Surely as a country we are at the point where we want the population to stabilise if not reduce, how to do this... limit children to 2 per family with no support (or potential penalties) for more.

If people don't like it then they can go to another country, dare I say I look around in my local area and families with the same skin colour as me have an average of 1.5 children, where as those with a different skin colour are averaging 4 children. Now this doesn't mean to sound racist, but my town will soon become more external culture than indigenous culture and I do believe something needs to be done before the indigenous becomes the minority.

lostinrates

Percy1983 wrote: »

If people don't like it then they can go to another country, dare I say I look around in my local area and families with the same skin colour as me have an average of 1.5 children, where as those with a different skin colour are averaging 4 children. Now this doesn't mean to sound racist, but my town will soon become more external culture than indigenous culture and I do believe something needs to be done before the indigenous becomes the minority.

while stats seem to support immigrant families having higher birthrate I'd rather people had complimentary ideas about justice, law and democracy, education, achievement, civic pride and sustainability than ''the same skin colour as me''.

ninky_2

we need to stop seeing population issues as nation specific anyway. okay the impacts on services etc may seem limited to within borders but there are bigger issues about finite global resources being used which will ultimately have a bigger impact on lifestyles.

Radiantsoul

Percy1983 wrote: »

If people don't like it then they can go to another country, dare I say I look around in my local area and families with the same skin colour as me have an average of 1.5 children, where as those with a different skin colour are averaging 4 children. Now this doesn't mean to sound racist, but my town will soon become more external culture than indigenous culture and I do believe something needs to be done before the indigenous becomes the minority.

It does sound a bit racist though...

I don't think there is much evidence that immigrant communities have higher birth rates. I believe they tend to fall to the "base level" within a generation.

LydiaJ

Certainly there are stats to say that women born here have significantly fewer babies than women living here who were born somewhere else. I don't know how birthrates compare between "women born here to mothers who were also born here" and "women who were born here to mothers who weren't" and "women who weren't born here". I don't know if anyone is collecting that data.

22225

there have been plenty of articles in the telegraph in the last year which show that non-indigenous (or whatever) mothers are having more children. In fact it said that most children born in the last year were born to non-indigenous mums. someone could probably google it.
i think it probably is a good idea if "sensible" middle class people stopped being so sensible and started breeding. i know it sounds awful but surely at the moment we've got anti- social engineering? people who don't work having large families? will their kids grow up to be all right??! yes it is snobby but if all the sensible people who plan and worry about the future andcare about the environment take themselves out of the gene pool then what is going to happen??!!

LilacPixie

ninky wrote: »

the typically quoted figurein the uk is over 200k on average to raise a child to the age of 21.

I have seen that figure before and found this from 2007 that breaks down the figure http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1571820/Cost-of-raising-a-child-has-soared.html It is a bit :eek: Some things i do agree are accurate but 600k over the next 21 years. :eek::eek:.