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mobile48

soolin wrote: »

Oh dear another one who cannot differentiate between laws and terms and conditions.

I agree Terms and conditions are never the end of story.

cyberbob

jafsie wrote: »

You can't be held to it, consider this:

seller lists item, asks friend to jack up the bid, so you are the "rope a dope"

seller: starts at £100
friend bids
rope a dope £105
friend £110
rope a dope £115 and so on up till £150
friend £155
rope a dope (YOU) step out of auction it is beyond what you are prepared to pay.

You buy elswhere.

seller asks friend (who never was a real bidder in the first place) to retract bid.

You are now the winner at £150 for an item you should have won at £100

But only if you are stupid enough to pay.

ebay don't make English law, parliament do.
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You are NOT liable once you have been outbid, you are NOT obliged to stick around to see if someone welches on the deal and leaves you holding an overpriced baby.

Back on Planet Earth (we live here come and join us). English/ British or Martian law have nothing to do with this. Terms and conditions those are the things you need to look at and what you agreed to. If someone withdraws the high bid and by default as 2nd bidder you win. Yes you can refuse to pay thats up to you but the seller is also able to open a NPB on you. A couple of those and you have managed to ban yourself from ebay.

jafsie

I can differentiate soolin, I offer the above advice to those who don't seem to understand the difference between the law and ebays financial interests

Ebay is a scam artists dream come true and the sooner the buyers are made aware of it the fairer it will be not just for buyers but for GENUINE sellers.

In both our interests we need to get rid of the scammers, I don't see how you could object to that?

mobile48

cyberbob wrote: »

Yes you can refuse to pay thats up to you but the seller is also able to open a NPB on you. A couple of those and you have managed to ban yourself from ebay.

Yes but thanks to this is thread I should be able to get any NPB removed very quickly from file.

soolin

jafsie wrote: »

I can differentiate soolin, I offer the above advice to those who don't seem to understand the difference between the law and ebays financial interests

Ebay is a scam artists dream come true and the sooner the buyers are made aware of it the fairer it will be not just for buyers but for GENUINE sellers.

In both our interests we need to get rid of the scammers, I don't see how you could object to that?

I wasn't aware though that we had any proof that on this thread the witthdrawn bid was from a scammer..have i missed something?

soolin

mobile48 wrote: »

Yes but thanks to this is thread I should be able to get any NPB removed very quickly from file.

If you pay you won't even get an NPB, if you don't pay I'm not sure why you would expect it to be just removed on your say so.

cyberbob

jafsie wrote: »

In both our interests we need to get rid of the scammers, I don't see how you could object to that?

We also need to get correct Dodgy and inaccurate information given out by the Paranoid on message boards.

In reality most of these scams are rare and can be avoided using a little common sense and understanding the systems. Message boards are not a guage of what in reality goes on on ebay. The majority of transactions on ebay (thats Millions of transactions worldwide) go on daily with no problems. People need a little perspective.

mobile48

soolin wrote: »

I wasn't aware though that we had any proof that on this thread the witthdrawn bid was from a scammer..have i missed something?

No but the argument remains good. The fact as a bidder your top bid can be made public in these circumstance whether by accident or scam is unfair. The fact you have no protection from an easy scam is also unfair.

Nowhere does Ebay state you will get a NPB in these circumstances and thanks to information here it is possible to appeal if you do.

soolin

mobile48 wrote: »

No but the argument remains good. The fact as a bidder your top bid can be made public in these circumstance whether by accident or scam is unfair. The fact you have no protection from an easy scam is also unfair.

Nowhere does Ebay state you will get a NPB in these circumstances and thanks to information here it is possible to appeal if they do.

Getting an NPB relies on the seller bothering to go through the process. I am still not sure though how you appeal a strike if you do not pay?

Crowqueen

Your bid is binding. It's up to the seller whether or not they agree to cancel, but it could have been entirely legitimate. As long as you have bid, you have to accept that you might end up winning the item. Otherwise, don't bid. Your bid ends up public anyway, to a certain degree. eBay withdrew people's rights to see who the other bidders were quite a long time ago - other people can see the amount the item ended at, or if you are outbid the amount that your maximum bid was, but your name remains hidden from all but yourself and the seller. If you are not happy with even that level of privacy, then you can buy elsewhere. By bidding on eBay, you agree with the Terms of Use, which allow a seller to cancel bids and allow them to make you honour the winning bid.

As I said, if someone asked nicely, I'd cancel the transaction myself, but it's not certain that other sellers would be so understanding.

If you don't like that, go somewhere where your right to cancel is guaranteed by the proprietor of the site (e.g. Amazon). On eBay, there is no such automatic right, except where law supersedes the user agreement, and that's just what you have to live with.