Student tuition fees on the rise

savvystudent

Lokolo wrote: »

Exactly. So how is it fair that those who haven't gone to university have to pay for those that do?

Remember income tax is a proportion of your earnings, those with better jobs (typically graduates) contribute more to the government spending pot, theoretically improving public services and the state of the economy for all.

themull1

I couldn't have afforded University, so i got a job.

JAYk_2

atypical wrote: »

Why shouldn't it be up to degree level? It seems arbitrary for the marker to be placed at higher education. If the argument is made that education is a right only to meet minimum standards, you can possibly say that the limit should be set at GCSEs. But it isn't, A-levels and their equivalents are still funded.

Lokolo, what exactly are you saying? That the people who take menial jobs should be the people who are put off by higher fees? Or that the people who take menial jobs should be the people who aren't intelligent enough to obtain a degree?

I suspect it's the latter. But increasing fees doesn't filter out the people who aren't intelligent enough to obtain degrees. What it is more likely to do is filter out those who are scared at seeing numbers higher than the income their family lives on. We probably all agree that higher education needs reforming, but I'm slightly scared that so many here see raising fees as a panacea.

Are the government trying to de-educate parts of the country for their own agenda, or thinking of pushing forth methods like this to encourage the nation to be less dependant on the government I wonder.

Instead of thinking ''we got to mke sure we find a well paid job/ or if that fails set up a small business to earn some money'' beforehand I think as a nation we've become too relaxed and reliant, when things are given for free or dirt cheap, it's expected to last and when the rug has been pulled under our feet we moan and groan and get desparate. Not good.

liney

I'm really sorry, but I just keep thinking of The Incredibles: "When everyone is Super, no one will be".

I don't mind paying higher fees if it means i'm competing against less people attending University and applying for the Post Grad and job I want, just because it seemed like the easy option.

Part of a year one module is "How to use the library!" what is that all about?

Oldernotwiser

liney wrote: »

I'm really sorry, but I just keep thinking of The Incredibles: "When everyone is Super, no one will be".

I don't paying higher fees if it means i'm competing against less people attending University and applying of the Post Grad and job I want, just because it seemed like the easy option.

Part of a year one module is "How to use the library!" what is that all about?

Pretty much on a par with "How to write essays" and "How to take notes" which are also common in the first year.

liney

Oldernotwiser wrote: »

Pretty much on a par with "How to write essays" and "How to take notes" which are also common in the first year.

Sorry, yes I forgot about essay writing.

What exactly do they teach at A Level now?:eek:

atypical

JAYk wrote: »

Are the government trying to de-educate parts of the country for their own agenda, or thinking of pushing forth methods like this to encourage the nation to be less dependant on the government I wonder.

I don't think there is any hidden agenda. It's simply a solution to a funding problem. The Government has been quite clear in their belief that people have become too dependant on the state - it's a large part of the rhetoric surrounding the fluffy and cuddly 'big society' message.

liney wrote: »

I don't paying higher fees if it means i'm competing against less people attending University and applying of the Post Grad and job I want, just because it seemed like the easy option.

You think that increasing fees is the best way to reduce student numbers? To me it seems like a blunt tool. Has the Government formally acknowledged that they expect raising fees to reduce student numbers? I don't think they have.

Lokolo

Oldernotwiser wrote: »

Pretty much on a par with "How to write essays" and "How to take notes" which are also common in the first year.

In my second year they had to go over when to use Sir/Madam/Name with Faithfully/Sincerely....

liney

atypical wrote: »

You think that increasing fees is the best way to reduce student numbers? To me it seems like a blunt tool. Has the Government formally acknowledged that they expect raising fees to reduce student numbers? I don't think they have.

It may not be the best way, but it is a way. Too many people go to university for the "experience", and whilst that is important, it is not the paramount reason to attend.

Whether the government have acknowledged this is partly to reduce number is unimportant. They have acknowledged that far too many students (I hear 75% was bandied about) will never earn enough to repay their student loans. That means the system is broken.

I hope that rises in cost will mean that potential students will think more carefully about whether they apply to university, apply for vocational training, or other work instead.

Oldernotwiser

liney wrote: »

What exactly do they teach at A Level now?:eek:

The old O level syllabus!;)