Mouth and Foot Painting Artists - beware!!

rachelplayspiano

Surely these artists are just trying to make an honest living instead of living off the state. No one is forcing you to buy the cards and it doesn't ever say that it is a charity. In fact if you read the literature it shows quite clearly that it is a business just trying to offer people who have very few opportunities in life the chance to make an honest living. Before you all get on you high horse, maybe you should consider how you would make a living if you could barely move!

Pollycat

rachelplayspiano wrote: »

Surely these artists are just trying to make an honest living instead of living off the state. No one is forcing you to buy the cards and it doesn't ever say that it is a charity. In fact if you read the literature it shows quite clearly that it is a business just trying to offer people who have very few opportunities in life the chance to make an honest living. Before you all get on you high horse, maybe you should consider how you would make a living if you could barely move!

I'm not on any horse - high or not!
Below is my opinion:

Pollycat wrote: »

At the end of the day, it is unsolicited mail.

and I don't like anything coming through my door that I've not asked for or am expecting.

It's a waste of paper (and someone else's money) - and it's the waste of paper that I don't like.

Malthusian

Before you all get on you high horse, maybe you should consider how you would make a living if you could barely move!

I can think of several options, and none of them are "spamming people with unsolicited mail and trying to guilt people into paying for products they didn't ask for, then playing the disability card if they dare to criticise how I do business".

Pollycat

d70cw6
you may wish to reconsider your final comment.

MothballsWallet

Mweya wrote: »

Hello MothBallsWallet. I apologise for the late reply, but have not been on this site since my last posting. I won't answer SpammytheSpammers post. I'm happy to answer politely phrased queries, as yours is, but not people who stoop to questioning my integrity without even knowing me. Anyway, some people aren't interested in listening with an open mind, no matter what you say. Wikipedia has been quoted before on this subject but, by its very nature, it isn't a safe authoritative source in the way the OED or other official encyclopedias are, and it has the honesty not to claim to be. Having said that, I am not in a position to confirm or deny what is said on there because I haven't researched it. But whether right or wrong (a) it is out of date and doesn't relate to today's operation, and (b) the allegations - even if true - did not relate to the UK operation anyway, which is the one we buy from in this country. As I said, research is simple. Just go to the UK MFPA's website. (the site moderator wouldn't let me give you the link on the grounds that I am "a new user). Their site is very open about the UK operation, and they are very willing to discuss things openly if anyone just asks them. ScorpiondeReftrouser is so right. I have just completed research into the aid community which is supposed to be helping Africans in Africa to escape poverty, and been utterly shocked and horrified by what I have found. Not least, the massive waste of UK tax payers' money, money which could have been used to help those in desperate need in our country - or, perhaps, used to great effect in the NHS? Now, if any of you are interested in a REALLY worthwhile cause to attack, let me know, and I'll pass my research on to you.

Actually, I saw nothing wrong with Spammy's post at all.

Also, can you break your posts up into paragraphs as they're really hard to read as a wall of text?

By the way, there isn't really such a thing as an "official" encyclopaedia. Even the most well renowned ones are published by for-profit companies.

SpammyTheSpammer

Problems in 1987 at the Australian AMFPA:-

http://www.iknow.cch.com.au/?_escaped_fragment_=/document/atagUio546394sl16807920/association-of-mouth-and-foot-painting-artists-pty-ltd-v-federal-commissioner-of-taxation-administrative-appeals-tribunal-of-australia-29-july-1987#!/document/atagUio546394sl16807920/association-of-mouth-and-foot-painting-artists-pty-ltd-v-federal-commissioner-of-taxation-administrative-appeals-tribunal-of-australia-29-july-1987

Seems that the AMFPA were not keen to disclose information in 1987 and nothing has changed since then....

wezken

This quote from the Guardian explains:

"We wrote about the MFPA five years ago. It is a reputable organisation (the Countess of Wessex recently opened its exhibition in Winchester and esteemed artist Alison Lapper MBE is an MFPA painter) but it is not a charity. It is a business helping disabled artists earn a living by selling their works. It sends out packs of cards and other items by direct mail to those on its customer list (and often those not on its list) to see if they will buy them. But recipients under no obligation to buy or return them, so what you do is up to you. Some recipients do send the MFPA a cheque, whereas others believe that simply using the cards helps to spread awareness of the organisation."

Pollycat

wezken wrote: »

This quote from the Guardian explains:

"We wrote about the MFPA five years ago. It is a reputable organisation (the Countess of Wessex recently opened its exhibition in Winchester and esteemed artist Alison Lapper MBE is an MFPA painter) but it is not a charity. It is a business helping disabled artists earn a living by selling their works. It sends out packs of cards and other items by direct mail to those on its customer list (and often those not on its list) to see if they will buy them. But recipients under no obligation to buy or return them, so what you do is up to you. Some recipients do send the MFPA a cheque, whereas others believe that simply using the cards helps to spread awareness of the organisation."

And some just file the cards in the wpb.

SpammyTheSpammer

Thanks for reopening this thread and particularly for mentioning the 6 year old quote from The Guardian newspaper.We are pleased that you signed up to MSE specifically to bring this to our attention.
Incidentally, Simons Diary is not so complementary about the MAFPA
http://www.simonsdiary.co.uk/written%20work/Articles/newpage2.html
Do you work for the MAFPA or are you connected to them in any way?

HiToAll

SpammyTheSpammer wrote: »

Thanks for reopening this thread and particularly for mentioning the 6 year old quote from The Guardian newspaper.We are pleased that you signed up to MSE specifically to bring this to our attention.
Incidentally, Simons Diary is not so complementary about the MAFPA
http://www.simonsdiary.co.uk/written%20work/Articles/newpage2.html
Do you work for the MAFPA or are you connected to them in any way?

You old cynic, you