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The_White_Horse wrote: »there are these people who wear white coats, i think they are called doctors. i reckon they could deal with the problems you have described. in fact, if i was the parent of a child with such a problem, i would demand a doctor, not some jumped up breast feeding nurse.
Doctors don't deal with breastfeeding problems. Midwives, health visitors etc do....much enquiry having been made concerning a gentleman, who had quitted a company where Johnson was, and no information being obtained; at last Johnson observed, that 'he did not care to speak ill of any man behind his back, but he believed the gentleman was an attorney'.0 -
Surely women have been breastfeeding forever. Why does it now require a specialist?
I don't think it works quite like that. When you are exhausted, and have a newborn baby going through a growth spurt and feeding all the time, it's useful to have some backup and support.
It's tempting otherwise to say, "sod it", hand the baby and a bottle over to someone else, and go to bed.
In my case, I had my mother. But not everyone's mother is around or knows about breastfeeding....much enquiry having been made concerning a gentleman, who had quitted a company where Johnson was, and no information being obtained; at last Johnson observed, that 'he did not care to speak ill of any man behind his back, but he believed the gentleman was an attorney'.0 -
You're getting desperate now. Noone is saying we don't need doctors.
People are questioning the need to have armies of pseudo-social workers charged with promoting something as intrinsically natural as breast-feeding, earning between £20-£45k per year, funded by the taxpayer.
It's just layer after layer of waste.
Frankly, I don't believe even you are comfortable defending it.
Lots of things are both natural and yet you need help.
Childbirth is another example - natural as anything, and babies were born for a very long time indeed without a midwife / doctor / antisceptic environment in sight.
The human race would continue if there was no help for pregnant women. But individual bits of it wouldn't.
I wouldn't be here at all, both as a mother myself and a higher-rate taxpayer, if there hadn't been doctors around when I was born - crash c-section or death for the about-to-be-born NDG....much enquiry having been made concerning a gentleman, who had quitted a company where Johnson was, and no information being obtained; at last Johnson observed, that 'he did not care to speak ill of any man behind his back, but he believed the gentleman was an attorney'.0 -
lostinrates wrote: »There is a lovely woman who contributes in the health & beauty board sometimes. she volunteers a lot with breast feeding help, having required help herself. while not an expert she is a woman who learned much in the way she would have years ago from mothers/extended female family.
An awful lot of breastfeeding support is done in that informal, voluntary way....much enquiry having been made concerning a gentleman, who had quitted a company where Johnson was, and no information being obtained; at last Johnson observed, that 'he did not care to speak ill of any man behind his back, but he believed the gentleman was an attorney'.0 -
I do know a few career women who returned to work about a month after giving birth and now use a full time nanny to look after the children. It is a choice they can afford and have made , but feeding is just something that the nanny deals with for about 14 hours of the day. I make no judgement, just stating from my experience.
I am a career woman, and had my first day back in court when my son was 5 weeks old, and we have a nanny. I still breastfed until he was 2 years old, though....much enquiry having been made concerning a gentleman, who had quitted a company where Johnson was, and no information being obtained; at last Johnson observed, that 'he did not care to speak ill of any man behind his back, but he believed the gentleman was an attorney'.0 -
What the hell do we need breast-feeding coordinators for? Does the government really believe it needs to advise mothers how to feed their freaking children?
How on earth did we manage for the few tens of thousands of years without them?
Yes, not everyone is lucky enough to have mothers and close family to help them.
And we managed by having higher infant morbidity and mortality. and you need to incrase infant survival to pay for your pension and look after you in your old age so it is in your interest to make sure they are given the best start in life.
Tell me then, what job is worth 40k? Is a commercial lawyer writing contracts worth 40k? More so than a qualified midwife who saves lives?0 -
shortchanged wrote: »And why do these company directors still get rewarded for failure. They still get bonuses if the company makes a profit or not. It's ridiculous, many of them are in a no lose situation.
If I meet my targets at work I get a bonus for the year. This does not take into account the overall landscape of the company. I assume this is no different.
Not that I agree with the bonuses, but if it is set out in someones contract that they have to meet requirements to trigger a bonus, when they meet them the bonus must be paid. Otherwise we would have a load of whining bankers asking for advice on this forum of how they can sue their employers.
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Yes, not everyone is lucky enough to have mothers and close family to help them.
And we managed by having higher infant morbidity and mortality. and you need to incrase infant survival to pay for your pension and look after you in your old age so it is in your interest to make sure they are given the best start in life.
Tell me then, what job is worth 40k? Is a commercial lawyer writing contracts worth 40k? More so than a qualified midwife who saves lives?
For the love of god, who mentioned qualified midwives? The point was a general point about the rise of non-jobs in the public sector, and I used the example of breast-feeding coordinators, of which it seems there are dozens - if not hundreds - of them up and down the country. Indeed, they even produce their own rather nifty newsletters.
I could have chosen any one of a hundred different non-roles, such as Islington council hiring a team of Walking Coordinators (designed to promote urban strolling!), or Football Coordinators (yes, it exists!), but i chose breast-feeding coordinators instead.
Are they useful? I dunno. I suppose any role could be deemed useful to someone in some nebulous way.
My point was, they didn't exist even a decade ago and we seemed to manage perfectly well without them. And yet, the growth of the state into our lives now makes such roles not only necessary, but - to some on here - essential.0 -
For the love of god, who mentioned qualified midwives? The point was a general point about the rise of non-jobs in the public sector, and I used the example of breast-feeding coordinators, of which it seems there are dozens - if not hundreds - of them up and down the country. Indeed, they even produce their own rather nifty newsletters.
I could have chosen any one of a hundred different non-roles, such as Islington council hiring a team of Walking Coordinators (designed to promote urban strolling!), or Football Coordinators (yes, it exists!), but i chose breast-feeding coordinators instead.
Are they useful? I dunno. I suppose any role could be deemed useful to someone in some nebulous way.
My point was, they didn't exist even a decade ago and we seemed to manage perfectly well without them. And yet, the growth of the state into our lives now makes such roles not only necessary, but - to some on here - essential.
Says a person working in marketing/advertising. The ultimate in non jobs.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gDW_Hj2K0woIt's getting harder & harder to keep the government in the manner to which they have become accustomed.0 -
neverdespairgirl wrote: »Doctors don't deal with breastfeeding problems. Midwives, health visitors etc do.
yeah, but he was talking in the context of very ill children, not healthy ones.0
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