Figures reveal long-term jobless.

StevieJ

mbga9pgf wrote: »

Should have worked harder at school then. Their Laziness is their fault, noone elses.

So you obviously couldn't understand the point Viva was making

StevieJ

olly300 wrote: »

You show a lack of realism and emotional intelligence.

To be fair to him he is not the brightest spark but he has managed to find himself a good well paying public sector job

vivatifosi

StevieJ wrote: »

So you obviously couldn't understand the point Viva was making

A bit harsh StevieJ;). I don't know mbga but I'd imagine he's in a similar situation to me before I worked in the library. I didn't come across people in that situation and had no understanding of their back story.

I now meet people on a daily basis who are disadvantaged in one way or another. One person I have met a couple of times cannot grasp how to use a stapler remover, let alone something more complicated. Of course they are going to find it hard to get a job! It isn't because they are lazy, it is because they have a very low IQ. There's no point saying they should have tried harder at school, it isn't that straightforward.

Or how about the girl of about 8, who is already de facto mother to her siblings. She tries really hard at school, but who has to go to junior school and look after their family at the same time? I dread to think how chaotic her home life must be.

We are for the most part very lucky a) to be born into families that give a toss and b) to have the mental capacity to carve a living for ourselves. I don't personally like to give the time of day to people who clearly are skivers but we need to acknolwedge that some people do have substantial disadvantages.

bendix

ukcarper wrote: »

I do find these threads quite revealing. Some people on here don’t seem to realise that the situation you are born into can have a big effect on your future. If they were born on a rough estate with parent who didn’t care what they did would they be where they are now.

There but for the grace of god.

Oh please, spare me the violins.

That perfectly describes my childhood.

You have two choices in life. You can be a passive victim and let things happen to you and spend the rest of your life blaming society and ill-luck, or you can fight your way out of it.

I know which I prefer.

Davesnave

bendix wrote: »

Oh please, spare me the violins.

That perfectly describes my childhood.

You have two choices in life. You can be a passive victim and let things happen to you and spend the rest of your life blaming society and ill-luck, or you can fight your way out of it.

I know which I prefer.

And of course, as viva was saying, you need the IQ to open your eyes and make that leap away from your background. There are elements of personality that come into it too, none consciously chosen by a young child, though they may be enhanced or suppressed by older people.

This has nothing to do with sob stories and violins; it is just the way things are.

Or are you telling us IQ has nothing to do with it and there is no such thing as personality in a young child?

I once failed an Oxford graduate when he came to me for 6 weeks teaching practice. Even in daily contact with less able children, he was unable to adjust and provide appropriate activities for them, or communicate with them effectively. Perhaps, in his eyes, they were wasters, not worth his time, but I was shocked that in one so 'intelligent,' there was so little understanding, or empathy.

It's OK, this isn't a sad story. This guy was still passed by his college and went on to teach classics in some independent school, so no long term damage done!

StevieJ

Davesnave wrote: »

It's OK, this isn't a sad story. This guy was still passed by his college and went on to teach classics in some independent school, so no long term damage done!

Are you saying that a private sector employee wasn't good enough for the public sector

Davesnave

StevieJ wrote: »

Are you saying that a private sector employee wasn't good enough for the public sector

Yes, and no. He wouldn't have coped in our establishment, but it's horses for courses. I think I might struggle teaching Greek or Latin!

My point is, this guy just didn't 'get' the level at which some youngsters operate, gave them inappropriate tasks or instructions, and then became exasperated when they failed to 'perform.' I feel there are parallels in this thread.

As a teacher, you have to start where the child is, if you hope to move them on. Similarly, with the serially unemployed, there has to be more than just a big stick.

quantic

My ex girlfriend's parents where long term unemployed. Her dad once said to me "Not everyone decides that working is the right path for them, you should respect my choice to not work, like I respect your choice to work." - I thought it was quite an interesting philosophy, he genuinely believed that what he was doing was a viable life choice with no remorse.

That said, I do not understand why people get so !!!!ed off about people who live on benefits... yes you could say that some of them scrounge off the system, yes you could say that they get things they don't work for or deserve. But at the end of the day, they are forfeiting the ability to have skills that will allow them to look after themselves or provide for their families. A life with such low aspirations sounds like hell to me.

Shakethedisease

You have two choices in life. You can be a passive victim and let things happen to you and spend the rest of your life blaming society and ill-luck, or you can fight your way out of it.

LOL.. dream on with the only '2 choices' in life crap.

No-one ever, ever, EVER knows whats just round the corner in order to life to shape 'choices'. And there are an infinate amount of variables to take into account. Some life-variables mean that 'choice' may be taken out of the equation altogether.

You may have something lacking somewhere yourself in terms of intelligence if you can't see that or just obsessively bitterly think 24/7 in terms of where your tax is going ( a bit sad but..hey ho). We aint living in 'Gattaca' or 'The Island' just yet.. deal with it will you ?

PasturesNew

I tried to use a self-service machine, but it's beyond me. I've no idea what it wants, what it needs, what it expects.... and you have to know what you're doing. Then .... it talks to you! It says stuff that you don't understand, you don't know what it means.

I hate them. I've tried two different ones now (forced into it) and made a right pig's ear of it and it was just horrible and I had to run away to my car afterwards to hide from the awful experience it gave me.

And everybody looks when you've no idea what you're doing
I hate people looking.

It's hard enough keeping up with what a real live human's asking/expecting when you go to a till - I hate it when they ask me questions that I didn't expect because it takes me awhile to work out the answer. I was in Aldi the other night, grabbed an empty box to put my stuff in as I was walking round, got to the till, put the box down on the conveyor belt and she asked me "Do you want the box?" I had no idea... didn't expect that question. Had to think about it.... no I didn't want the box. I knew that, but I didn't know there'd be an inquisition.