Do Council Houses lower the tone?

barnaby-bear

http://209.85.129.104/search?q=cache:N6sJPuBzqi8J:www.unison.org.uk/acrobat/B1823.pdf+nursing+pay+scales&hl=en&gl=uk&ct=clnk&cd=1

Mrs_pbradley936

Thanks for that link, only problem is that they employ very few at those grades. I think that newly qualified nurses get something like £14k if they can get a job. The government are training young people as nurses and giving them a bursary of about £5k. The youngsters do all of the donkey work while one qualified nurse gives out drugs. The NHS will not employ quailfied nurses for £14k when it can get trainess for £5k. Well that is what this girl has told me and I have no reason to think she is not being honest.

Mrs_pbradley936

I hope this link works

http://www.workpermit.com/news/2006-06-30/uk/unemployed_nurses.htm

barnaby-bear

pbradley936 wrote:

I hope this link works

http://www.workpermit.com/news/2006-06-30/uk/unemployed_nurses.htm

I don't get what her not getting a job as a nurse has to do with the fact nurses have a damn good, well-paid, career structure with tonnes of benefits - better than your average person and they are entitled to subsidised housing while loads of other poorer paid young people can't afford housing. The shelf-stacker in tescos is quite important to ensuring we can eat but they aren't a key worker.

whambamboo

barnaby-bear wrote:

!!!!!!! policemen and nurses are damn well paid - why the hell am I subsidising them in "key-worker" housing

beats me.

I guess the government prefers to prop up the property market by subsidising these houses.

I'm not sure about the rest of the country, but certainly in London, a teacher/nurse/policeman's salary doesn't buy anything at all.

Mrs_pbradley936

whambamboo wrote:

I'm not sure about the rest of the country, but certainly in London, a teacher/nurse/policeman's salary doesn't buy anything at all.

I live not far from London (about 30 miles) and they will not get much for their money round here either. Perhaps the earnings to house price ratio is different in other parts of the country. I know some people get “London weighting” but I don’t think it meets the cost of housing.

Poppy9

barnaby-bear wrote:

Compared to most people they do - higher than average - plus lots of overtime, subsisdised health clubs/gyms/canteens, fantastic pensions....

:rotfl:Not here they don't. Starting salary for a police officer is less than £20k. For that they have to put their lives on the line every shift. Most nobs now carry knives. Oh and they closed the canteen to rent out the space to CPS (unofficially - Officially it's to make the officers eat their lunch in the community to reassure the public). Canteen irrelevant anyway as Police officers do not get a lunch break. They can work 12+ hours without food and often do. Sadly no gym or health club either. Not even a car park. Overtime very rare now as there is no money for it.

A_Nice_Englishman

Poppy9 wrote:

:rotfl:Not here they don't. Starting salary for a police officer is less than £20k. For that they have to put their lives on the line every shift. Most nobs now carry knives. Oh and they closed the canteen to rent out the space to CPS (unofficially - Officially it's to make the officers eat their lunch in the community to reassure the public). Canteen irrelevant anyway as Police officers do not get a lunch break. They can work 12+ hours without food and often do. Sadly no gym or health club either. Not even a car park. Overtime very rare now as there is no money for it.

Looking at a few police websites, all the salaries I saw were £22K + after completion of training. There is also the very generous pension scheme.

Presumably if 12 hour shifts were worked there would be extra days off to make up the standard 40 hour week as there is no overtime.

Lunch breaks are a legal requirement so I would be surprised if police officers were forced to work 12 hours without one. How are there bosses going to make them do so if they are out in the community, anyway?

Yes, police officers do have to deal with some nasty people and sometimes put themselves in dangerous situations (risk their lives every shift though?) but the terms and conditions don't look too bad to me.

Poppy9

A_Nice_Englishman wrote:

Looking at a few police websites, all the salaries I saw were £22K + after completion of training. There is also the very generous pension scheme.

not here in Wales I can't link into SWP fed site as it's password protected but starting salary is less than £20k upon completion of initial training. Rises about £1k per annum for each year of service.

A_Nice_Englishman wrote:

Presumably if 12 hour shifts were worked there would be extra days off to make up the standard 40 hour week as there is no overtime.

Depending on section depends on rota. Most common is 4 12 hour days on and 4 days off. Shift patern 0700-1900 for 2 days and 1900 to 0700 for 2 nights so 1st day off usually spent asleep. Any extra hours worked at end of shift added to card for taking at a later time.

_A_Nice_Englishman wrote:

Lunch breaks are a legal requirement so I would be surprised if police officers were forced to work 12 hours without one. How are there bosses going to make them do so if they are out in the community, anyway?

. Police officers are exempt from the legistlation covering meal breaks. They take a break if they get they get time which on busy shifts is difficult.

_A_Nice_Englishman wrote:

Yes, police officers do have to deal with some nasty people and sometimes put themselves in dangerous situations (risk their lives every shift though?) but the terms and conditions don't look too bad to me.

Yes every shift and even when off duty. Officers are recognised off duty by people they have dealt with and attacked. Threats are made against their families etc. It's hard when Police are living and working in the same area but this seems to be preferred practice locally.

T&C are c**p actually. Uniform cleaned at home at own expense, buy your own boots, even if you have to dump them when someone who may be carrying any disease bleeds all over them. Many even buy their own equipment because the standard issue is unsuitable for purpose.

A_Nice_Englishman

Interesting to get your views, Poppy. Do Welsh police forces have a recruitment problem? They probably won't improve the T's & C's unless they have. That's what I've found in the past, amyway.

I must have a chat with my neighbour who is a policeman in South Wales (his house is worth about £185K by the way)