Sun poll tomorrow: 83% believe the decision on child benefit right thing to do

robin_banks

chucky wrote: »

Thanks LIR but it's the timing of his appearances on the forum that make his agenda even more obvious...

and he's linking to The Sun to prove his illustrious defence... mmmm.
it's not convincing. sorry...

Let's face it, any other poster linking a story to the Sun (other then big jugs) would be laughed out of town.

Do we know who conducted the poll or used a random sample, a panel of Sun readers not being a random sample.

nickmason

Batchy wrote: »

Did you nick that from the film "8 mile" eminem... lol

Haven't seen it. Maybe I should give up the day job.

nickmason

chucky wrote: »

i don't have an issue with that

timely contributions when you have an agenda is something else.

answer this then LIR, why does Rochdale Pioneers get lots of grief but it's ok for Nick Mason to do exactly the same thing.

It's so boring that every time I come on here I get shouted down as being a Tory ramper. For what it's worth, I really do only come on here to find out what people are thinking (yes, I know it's a pretty skewed group, but strangely intelligent and varied, and the debates often go further than is polite in real life, so get to the nub of things) - and I have been lurking a lot more than posting for exactly that reason. The only reason I posted the Sun poll was because I thought it an interesting suggestion that the media is driven by the middle class who are hit by this - and I think I made that point in the first post.

There was a time when my lack of anonymity (which had all started off by accident as this is the only internet forum I've spent any time on) seemed to help slightly - for instance a few years ago when we had a debate about the efficiency of local government. Then Sir Humphrey started making all sorts of personal and ill-founded attacks, and I went away. Came back around the general election, and got bombarded by Chucky, although I thought we found some sort of peace eventually.

I think I am going to have to develop a sock puppet. Many of you will probably recognise me anyhow by my eminem like prose.:eek:

Rochdale_Pioneers

So what that 83% support it? I support it, and I'm both a leftie and one of the people who will lose my child benefit because of it. As has been pointed out its about the same proportion in support who aren't affected. People like cuts that hit other people.

However, this ignores the major damage this does to the Tories:
1) Its spectacularly unfair. I suspect the actual number affected isn't that many. But your average middle class grasping scumbag, its a personal attack on them because it lets "the rich" (ie not them) get away with it whilst "the deserving" (ie them) has to suffer. For the Wail and Express to lead with it two days running and for Cameron to issue an apology shows how much of a political foot shoot this is
2) Its Campbell-esque spin of the worst kind. Its become clear that Oik and Dave made the decision over the weekend and didn't bother to tell the cabinet never mind their yellow pox coalition partners. Which is why we have had a succession of ministers eating a !!!!!! sandwich on the media trying to defend a policy they know nothing about. Only this afternoon Varsi was defending Dave's non-policy speech because policies should be held back for the spending review. Like Child benefit policies I imagine. Like with Gove and his schools lists it makes them look utterly incompetent
3) It makes them appear statospherically out of touch with reality. "Its tough but fair" when their own supporters insist it isn't, and "people on £44k aren't rich" when according to the stats they are relatively speaking.

There, political analysis and partisanship in alternate breaths.....

Caliendo

I don't understand why it doesn't go on household income? Is it some bias towards nice middle class households where Daddy earns the big bucks and Mummy stays at home, rather than households where parents both work?

Is a red herring to get us all talking about that while they quietly take it off of 16 17 and 18 year olds in education as well?

I'm loosely in favour though even though it will affect me adversely if I have children.

If David Cameron carries this through I will think better of him and the party as a whole.

StevieJ

nickmason wrote: »

Oh, couldn't you have found the page where it shows I was elected a councillor? :mad::o

I have something similar to this but walking out onto the pitch at Old Trafford

lostinrates

Caliendo wrote: »

I don't understand why it doesn't go on household income? Is it some bias towards nice middle class households where Daddy earns the big bucks and Mummy stays at home, rather than households where parents both work?

Isn't it exactly the opposite of that?

Nick, your picture, while very winning, is TOO BIG!!!!:D

StevieJ

MissMoneypenny wrote: »

Most people on this site (look on the benefits board too) seem to be in favour of the CB cut.

Mainly the ones that don't receive it

nearlynew

don't forget all politicians are lying thieves.


they don't care about you, your family or even the country.

all they want is your vote.

LilacPixie

I think pretty much everyone agrees that CB had to be addressed and addressed in a more meaningful way than just freezing the thresholds. I do think they have got it spectacularly wrong, if its means tested means test in on household income not individual income. maybe lifting the threshold to 56k similar to taxcredits or limit the amount or children on claim.