Stay-at-home parents to lose out in child benefit reform

spaceboy

I really don't see the problem, if you're earning £44k a year you are bloody well paid, why do you need child benefit?

The money to pay off the debt has to come from somewhere, STOP WHINING YOU SELFISH IDIOTS.

Really2

ninky wrote: »

i guess the issue is that benefits should not subsidise a lifestyle choice.

Thats kind of my point, it is a choice not to work because of their financial situation.
I presume that financial situation means the CB really does not matter that much.

I agree on child care, but that kind of proves the people who earn over £44K but dont have a top earner are not better off, and are actually help employment (child care & 2 workers)

MissMoneypenny

Really2 wrote: »

Stay at home mums with partners earning over £44K they are financially inactive.

I was a full time mother when my children were little, but it didn't stop me working in the evenings when my children were in bed. When they started school, I worked days and evenings. Before the days of tax credits and 80% state funded childcare and so many hours a week of state funded nursery, many mothers use to run their own business, or go out to work in the evenings when their OH returned.

These days it is even easier to earn a few extra bob a week while at home, with ebay.

Really2

MissMoneypenny wrote: »

I was a full time mother when my children were little, but it didn't stop me working in the evenings when my children were in bed. When they started school, I worked days and evenings. Before the days of tax credits and 80% state funded childcare and so many hours a week of state funded nursery, many mothers use to run their own business, or go out to work in the evenings when their OH returned.

These days it is even easier to earn a few extra bob a week while at home, with ebay.

Spot on, it was my point earlier. If this money is needed that much, make it up by working a few hours.

spaceboy

The reality is £44k a year is enough to raise a family on, you dont need extra benefits.

And if your mortgage is a struggle to pay then you paid to much for your house. Nobody forced you to.

MissMoneypenny

ninky wrote: »

don't forget that sahm's don't earn their own pension and aren't getting unemployment benefits so may well end up costing less to the state. if couple's can afford for one parent not to work (or even one non parent partner) that's fair enough. i guess the issue is that benefits should not subsidise a lifestyle choice.

ATM, a couple can choose to have one parent at home and get extra benefits in the form of working tax credits (in addition to whatever else they are claiming).

nearlynew

There wouldn't actually be a problem with childcare/stay-at-home mums if housing costs weren't so high.

Two people having to work in order to keep a roof over a family's head - when it used to take one - is not progress. It's a step towards enslavement.

mvengemvenge

Listening to interviews on TV and reading between the lines in articles, I begin to wonder if the Condems have risked the unpopularity of the perverse 44K cut-off for another reason entirely.


Several times now, the issue of the cost (staff) of means testing has been dropped into the conversation. Are the Government risking two weeks of bad headlines because they will be announcing massive job losses in benefit processing staff on Oct 20th? If they won't have the staff to administer the system, another, slightly unpalatable measure (cut-off) had to be found? Just a thought.

StevieJ

spaceboy wrote: »

I really don't see the problem, if you're earning £44k a year you are bloody well paid, why do you need child benefit?

The money to pay off the debt has to come from somewhere, STOP WHINING YOU SELFISH IDIOTS.

I think the argument is that the govt should be reducing the deficit even more by taking CB off those households that are earning up to 88k, or do you agree they should carry on receiving it

Rochdale_Pioneers

Its very simple. The people upset by this aren't either filthy rich and on the scrounge OR Labour frothers. Go over to the Telegraph or Mail forums - plenty of Tories enraged by what is a patently unfair announcement. So listen very carefully Spaceboy and others.

The government hasn't announced the withdrawal of Child Benefits to higher tax band households, just to higher tax band individuals. If one member of your household is higher rate you get no benefits. If no members of your household is higher rate, you get the full benefit.

So one income earner of £45k and the household gets nothing. Two income earners on £42k each and the £84k household gets their child benefits. THAT is the objection - its a joke.