Driver in car

taffy056

McKneff wrote: »

Why didnt you just drop her off and go and find a park where she could have walked back to, she wouldnt have had the parcel then or
you could have parked and walked to the post office to meet here.

I really dont have a lot of sympathy,

Its a good job that people offer advice here other than yourself, as coupon said depending on the signs they probably have every right to use the bay for loading/unloading, so going to find another place to park is not relevant if the op had 30 mins to complete what they were doing.

taffy056

forgotmyname wrote: »

Yes, illegally parked is still illegal if your sitting there or not.

Did you not see the traffic warden approaching? Why didnt you drive off before they started to write a ticket?

Why did you not speak to them?

Its not illegal to park in a loading bay, you are not breaking the law as you suggest in the above comment.

Pete_Skinner

Coupon-mad wrote: »

I have more sympathy, bearing in mind it's a loading bay and they were unloading!

And with one of those Council 'scameras' he could still have been sent a PCN even for dropping his wife off. That's allowed as well on most yellow lines but the Councils don't seem to worry about niceties such as whether a contravention even occurred. It's all about money.

Thanks for all your comments.If I misunderstood the rules I will pay up.
I'm just trying to find out what the rules are.??????

DUTR

Pete_Skinner wrote: »

Thanks for all your comments.If I misunderstood the rules I will pay up.
I'm just trying to find out what the rules are.??????

The rules should be listed in a copy of the highway code, the loading bays I have noticed usually have a sign saying words like restricted to 10 mins and no return within x time.
Your story suggests that you were unloading, so once the items were removed from the car, then there should be no reason to wait in the space.
The observant of the camera screen would have noticed this, it will be very difficult (and/or expensive) to defend, so |I would pay up and put it down to experience for future

peter_the_piper

DUTR wrote: »

The rules should be listed in a copy of the highway code, the loading bays I have noticed usually have a sign saying words like restricted to 10 mins and no return within x time.
Your story suggests that you were unloading, so once the items were removed from the car, then there should be no reason to wait in the space.
The observant of the camera screen would have noticed this, it will be very difficult (and/or expensive) to defend, so |I would pay up and put it down to experience for future

The highway code is just a set of rules and is not law. Most of it reflects laws in place but not all and does not carry the weight of law in itself.
The fact that he was unloading in an unloading place should make it easy to fight. The only risk financially is the total to pay will be that on the ticket and he would only lose the discount. Whether the OP wants to fight this is up to them.

Jeff_Bridges_hair

peter_the_piper wrote: »

The highway code is just a set of rules and is not law. Most of it reflects laws in place but not all and does not carry the weight of law in itself.
The fact that he was unloading in an unloading place should make it easy to fight. The only risk financially is the total to pay will be that on the ticket and he would only lose the discount. Whether the OP wants to fight this is up to them.

BUT - he had already unloaded the car. once the goods are out of the car then you are not loading/unloading any more and thus have to move.

gruff

Hello Pete Skinner, I think you have grounds to appeal on the basis that no contravention occured. If you were genuinely loading/unloading, and your wife did not carry out any other business, then you were using the bay for its proper purpose and if the permitted time was 30 minutes and you did not go beyond this, you have not contravened any order.

If however you were a bit naughty you may still be able to appeal if any of the signage, including the road markings did not meet the specifications set out in the Traffic Signs Regulations and General Directions 2002, again on the grounds that no contravention occured.

If it is not legally compliant it is not enforceable.
Google Traffic Signs Regulations and General Directions 2002 (new user, can't post links) the loading bay itself should look like diagram 1028.3 in schedule 6, read the notes in the table below the diagram.
Elsewhere in the TSRGD, section 12. variations of dimensions you will find the permitted tolerances for dimensions but note that any dimension expressed in terms of a minimum and a maximum have no further variation permitted.

I recieve 2 or 3 tickets every month and I have not paid one for 2+ years. it is highly likely, in my experience, that at some stage the authority has not complied with the law and you will not have to pay the charge if you can find their failing.

taffy056

Jeff_Bridges_hair wrote: »

BUT - he had already unloaded the car. once the goods are out of the car then you are not loading/unloading any more and thus have to move.

But as already mentioned, they had 30 minutes to do this, so providing that is all they did they are within their rights to use the full time allowed, plus you don't have to be unloading/loading continuously as its already been successfully appealed by the arbitrator.

Coupon-mad

Jeff_Bridges_hair wrote: »

BUT - he had already unloaded the car. once the goods are out of the car then you are not loading/unloading any more and thus have to move.

Hahaha, tell us another one, where did you get that idea?! :rotfl:

Gruff, Peter_the_Piper and taffy have given good advice - and also see my longer, first post here from yesterday.

Don't just pay up if you misunderstood the rules, Pete Skinner.

We don't think you did misunderstand, and 'paying up' is not the advice that Gruff and I have given you at all! We are telling you that most people can get off MOST tickets and have given you a pepipoo link to check out your chances.

Jeff_Bridges_hair

Coupon-mad wrote: »

Hahaha, tell us another one, where did you get that idea?! :rotfl:

The bit of paper in my back pocket.