Tent thread redux?

neverdespairgirl

Initial entry found 9th March 2009. No movement or anything since then.

dacouch

There is definately something fishy about the Daily Mail report, it does not mention Princess Diana or Immigrants once

lynzpower

neverdespairgirl wrote: »

It doesn't add up, to me. "After spending £50,000 fighting a 15-month legal battle to get a squatter evicted from her home"

There's a lot more going on than what is written. It simply doesn't take that long. Or cost that much.

Equally there is no way that a t bed house in macclesfield was worth 330k ( worth 250, 80k taken off the value)

mostlycheerful

Many of these situations are sorted by the owners and residents who do not allow UK law to then rip them off a second time as well :[FONT=&quot]

[/FONT]Ron, Leeds, I'm just up the road mate - I would've joined you mate.
The same thing happened to a friend of my fathers many years ago and the police said they couldn't do anything.
A few guys went round at about 3 in the morning and explained that the squatters had no right to be there and to leave immediately.
They did.
Problem solved.
- Dave St Clair, Wetherby, England, 1/10/2010 11:55

No point suing these people, it costs money. Usually they are unemployed and won't ever repay you. If squatters can legally squat in your home which you are paying for, or have paid for, then so can you. So move in with them. They can't stop you. Bring your family with you. Take over the house. You can't be evicted, you have rights. They can get homeless accommodation, but you can't because you own a property which the local authority would expect you to be living in. What these ridiculous laws need is a serious challenge. If someone did what I suggest, then yes, they would be threatened with all sorts of legal consequences, but when it comes to the crunch, the Court would have to apply basic rules of common sense. If you needed the house to live in with your family, that need would have to take priority over the needs of a squatter. How could it not? These laws will only ever change if we challenge them.
- Sue, Rhyl, UK, 1/10/2010 12:46

She should have gone and got a few handy male friends to go round to the house and physically throw them out..................I would have done that. Scum who do things like declare squatters rights on a property that is not theirs have no legal or human rights at all.
- Ron, Leeds, 1/10/2010 10:25

Ron , completely agree with you, why didnt she do this instead of 50k legal action? Seriously , 2 big people go round and throw him out, job sorted.
- roger, kent, 1/10/2010 11:58

If this ever happened to me, I would just hire the biggest muscled man I could find and two of his mates , who would simply break down the door and escort the squatters off the premises by the seat of their pants ! Simples !
- Helen Marianne, Eastbourne. East Sussex, 1/10/2010 12:05

I would be back in the house just as soon as I could break the door down and get hold of the squatter. The law cares not a jot about honest hardworking and clean living people. I would retake MY property with as much force as needed. Even if I had to go to jail. At least I would get the benifits of good meals, free heating, no council tax, gym and sky tv.
- David Smith, Leominster, Herefordshire, 1/10/2010 12:04

I think there is a vocation here. Large and stealthy blokes could be used to 'assist' squatters in leaving property they have no rights to under common sense. I'm sure they would not charge 50 grand and the whole process would be over a lot quicker.
- maria, London, 1/10/2010 12:00

If you get squatters in your property tell no one, certainly not the police. Get your friends together and go in and get rid of them.
It is an absolute disgrace what has happened to Ms Maurice.
- Sick and Tired, of this place, 1/10/2010 10:33

She should have paid two or three very large gentlemen to physically evict the squatters, it would have been a lot cheaper.
- Lord Gaga, Pattaya City, Royal Kingdom of Thailand, 1/10/2010 12:53

Squatters rights my left and right buttocks. If it was my property, I would have battered down the door, grabbed said squatter by the scruff of the neck and by the belt, and with force, threw him out through the open door. Sorted.
- Billy G, London, UK, 1/10/2010 11:53

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1316756/Mother-spent-50k-squatter-evicted.html#ixzz116rx8aC0

tbs624

Yep, let's all take legal advice from Daily Mail Readers..........................

lynzpower

Im so ashamed to come from a family of daily mail readers _pale_ they have DM logic too. Im the black sheep of the family _pale_

theartfullodger

dacouch wrote: »

There is definately something fishy about the Daily Mail report, it does not mention Princess Diana or Immigrants once

Nor mention of house prices shooting up / house prices crashing....

mostlycheerful

Well, well, well, you learn something new every day, as well as the Daily Hate, check this out :

Posted by girleight on the Roaming gang of Lithuanian squatters snatching our homes! thread :

“I suspect the police were wrong in this case:

https://www.askthe.police.uk/content/Q718.htm

If you are a displaced residential occupier then the police should help you to remove the trespassers.”

Q718: What can I do about squatters in my property?
A squatter is a person who lives in a property without the permission of the owner. A squatter is not a person who has defaulted on rent payments and this answer does not apply to them, see Q46 and Q47 for information about tenants.
This is a summary of some of the provisions in the Criminal Law Act 1977. It is intended to be a guide and you would be wise to seek professional advice about the exact provisions, as you could be liable for a criminal offence or be sued if you get it wrong.
Categories of individuals that are able to take reasonably direct action

1. A person who lives at domestic premises and is away, perhaps on holiday, when the squatters move in is called a 'displaced residential occupier'.
2. A person who is intending to live at the premises as an owner, under a leasehold agreement (but only so long as there is two years left) or most rental agreements (but not all) is called 'protected intending occupiers'.

A displaced residential occupier, a protected intending occupier or a person acting on their behalf can use reasonable force to secure entry to the property.

However . . . . before this can be done a written declaration must be obtained from a commissioner of oaths (usually certain more senior solicitors). Once this has been obtained then entry can be gained. If the squatters refuse to leave then they commit an offence and the police should be called to deal with the matter.
Any person using excessive force could leave themselves open to criminal and civil proceedings.
Outside the above provisions, a landlord/owner etc. cannot force entry into property where there are squatters whilst someone is inside. However, they can get a court order fairly easily [but not if all the people reporting months of delay and thousands and tens of thousands of charges by solicitor are to be believed] and deal with the matter by that means.

https://www.askthe.police.uk/content/Q718.htm

So you get a written declaration - declaring what, that you're "a displaced residential occupier, a protected intending occupier or a person acting on their behalf" - from a commissioner of oaths and then using "reasonable force...then entry can be gained" and if the squatters resist then the boys in blue are supposed to do the job for you rather than the usual limp lettuce situation of saying "sorry sir, it's a civil matter". Yes, I can hear a stampede of landlords and owners and residents rushing to find the nearest commissioner of oaths to tell them that they are "A displaced residential occupier, a protected intending occupier or a person acting on their behalf." and then rushing back to their properties and kicking the doors in and then, using reasonable force, ejecting the unwanted illegal occupiers. Yes indeed, knowledge is king. Too late for a lot of victims but for all the cases currently going on perhaps someone should inform the victims of their rights and this procedure, as advised on a police information website (and not just in the Daily Hate).

And to go with this, from the Lithuanian squatters thread and the squatters rights thread, a report of another bit of supposed police advice :

(6) How to stop the squatters moving in: Know the rules to protect your home from intrusion
“…the police…advised me to wait until he left the property, change the locks and then make the property secure. If he broke back in, he'd be committing an offence.”
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/property/article-1200216/How-stop-squatters-moving-Know-rules-protect-home-intrusion.html#ixzz10G911zUA

fimonkey

mostlycheerful wrote: »

No point suing these people, it costs money. Usually they are unemployed and won't ever repay you. If squatters can legally squat in your home which you are paying for, or have paid for, then so can you. So move in with them. They can't stop you. Bring your family with you. Take over the house. You can't be evicted, you have rights. They can get homeless accommodation, but you can't because you own a property which the local authority would expect you to be living in.

Interesting point,.... talking about squatter here, and not late/non rent payers, .. could you do this? Would be interesting ...because surely once you're living back in your own house (with the squatters) you could then change the locks??

dopester

fimonkey wrote: »

Interesting point,.... talking about squatter here, and not late/non rent payers, .. could you do this? Would be interesting ...because surely once you're living back in your own house (with the squatters) you could then change the locks??

No you can't do that. As I understand it, the person in adverse possession of property or land, has immediate lawful ownership "against the world." From DAY ONE.

The only person/people who can take possession from them are those who have superior ownership, and who have evidence of superior ownership, and who can prove it in the required legal process to regain possession.

It's not enough having the evidence to prove it. You have to have evidence and go through the legal process against the adverse possessor in order to regain possession.

If you don't go through the process, and leave it too long (10-12 years), the adverse possessor(s) can eventually extiniguish your superior ownership, because your ownership has become time barred (act of limitations).

You can't just move in with the adverse possessor in possession. If squatter A leaves a house after 2 years, and a Squatter B moves in immediately after.... Squatter A has superior ownership (providing can offer some evidence) and if taking it to court, the law should allow Squatter A to regain possession from Squatter B. Squatter B's adverse possession being added to the time of limitation still running, on behalf of Squatter A. Same for a superior home-owner with title/mortgage deeds ect. They can't just move in with squatter. Possession has to be regained through legal process.