Money Moral Dilemma: Should I sell her my car?

adsteps

The owner can't really be held responsible for another adults actions. Even though she told him she wasn't going to get insurance etc. you don't even know how serious she is.

He can't be the moral guardian of his objects and not sell them on in case the new owner does something wrong with them. What if he sold a kitchen knife set in a car boot sale and then the buyer went on to stab someone? would he be responsible? no?

More to the point, if this is the stance people are going to take, how can you ever be sure that a stranger buying your car is going to insure and tax it or even drive it responsibly?

What if he sticks to his guns and only sells it to someone else, not his neighbour, and a week later they drink drive and run soemone down? again, is he responsible? NO!

You can't be held directly responsible for another adults actions and behaviour so he should sell the car to his neighbour!

adsteps

ps... as the poster above says, she is probably going to buy the car off someone else anyway, so as a result of his actions in preventing the original sale, she may still purchase another car...is this his fault too!?

pps felinewotsit says 'not all lapdancers are like this' then proceeds to assume she hasn't got a licence due to 'drink driving'?!?

FelinePrincess

adsteps wrote: »

pps felinewotsit says 'not all lapdancers are like this' then proceeds to assume she hasn't got a licence due to 'drink driving'?!?

Not all lapdancers are like this, yet some are incredibly irresponsible and she sounds like one of them ones.. She might not have lost it due to drink driving, could have been speeding or something else but either way she has had it taken off her for something serious.

Swirley

I have to say, if I found out someone had no licence and no intention of getting insurance, then I wouldn't sell them the car. I wouldn't be happy to be complicit in someone breaking the law, especially when the consequences can be so big.
If she should buy a car I would say that you ought to report her to the authorities, but I know that they won't care....I called the Police and DVLA when someone on my street had a car with tax TWO YEARS out of date, the state of the car also suggested it had no MOT. Despite numerous phone calls they never did anything. Steer clear of her car if she's driving!

Scorpion_Sting

All the posts I've read assume that she had the licence taken away from her, but if you read the original question it says that it's lost and never been renewed. If it were me, the first thing I would do is tell her where she can get a replacement licence from, but I wouldn't sell a car to someone without a licence.
As to the problem of insurance, that's really something for her conscience, but she won't be able to tax the car in future if she doesn't have MOT and insurance, so you could explain how everything is computerised nowadays and that the 'powers that be' would block her application if she didn't have the required paperwork. It may be a long time since she last owned a car, and she might not know that you can't get the tax if you can't produce the other documents, or do it on-line where the website will automatically check to make sure you have got them.
After hearing all this, she might well decide that it's not worth all the bother, and decide to stick to public transport instead.

bestyman

Sell the car.

It is not your job to check insurance and licence details when selling a car. Complete the V5 correctly.

Would you ask to see the buyers insurance and licence had you sold it on ebay or in the local paper? You will achieve nothing by not selling to her, she will simply buy elsewhere.

JODDY

Being a stickler for rules then no I wouldn't sell her the car. It puts everyone who uses the road at risk.

James_H

I don't know my neighbours that well. If the car owner knows the neighbour's occupation and had been talking about the illegalities, perhaps they are friends, or at least just closer than just two people who live near each other. In which, some friendly guidance might be well received, maybe help searching websites, getting the licence forms, etc.

It says the licence has been lost, but we don't know if that means the neighbour was banned, or whether just the paper and plastic card have been misplaced. These are very different situations. If it's just the latter, then the neighbour may still have the entitlement to drive and it's a relatively simple £20, form and photo to get a new one.

However, if it comes down to it and the neighbour is banned and refuses to get insurance, then in my opinion the car should not be sold to her.

1ipstick

Don't sell it. If she wants it so badly she can renew her licence and spend some of the extra cash she was going to give you on insurance.
If you've ever had a loved one hit by a car you'd do whatever you can to just reduce the risk of anything dodgy that might lead to uninsured/unlicensed drivers being on the road.

bogwart

This is not a dilemma at all - the answer is an unqualified no. Those of us who abide by the rules in motoring pay a substantial premium because of selfish and unprincipled people like your neighbour. If she runs down a pedestrian, or is involved in a crash which leaves somebody crippled for life with no insurance to alleviate their situation, how would you feel?

If she can't even be bothered to renew her driving licence she's not fit to drive a car. I believe that legal sanctions could be applied against you for supplying her with a car without checking to ensure that she has current insurance for the car. The fact that she has no licence would invalidate any insurance cover anyway, and if it occurs to you that maybe she could drive on your insurance, forget it. Your insurance company would not pay out under those circumstances.