B&Q Wind Turbines (Merged Thread)

moonrakerz

Cardew wrote: »

Together with the 'tosh' is the ability to use whatever magnificent output the Windsave is producing.

Except for when my freezer/fridge compressor is running I hardly use any electricity during the night.

Well, leave the lights on then ! You'll save even more.

mm684

Quote:
Originally Posted by Cardew
Together with the 'tosh' is the ability to use whatever magnificent output the Windsave is producing.

Except for when my freezer/fridge compressor is running I hardly use any electricity during the night.

I'm lucky enough to work from home so our electricity use can be varied in the day.
Also our meter (legally) goes backward when we export to the grid.
We then can use what we have exported.
Today we have used 2KWH in the last 8 hours.
It's cheap and varied in the electircity generated but its still better than doing nothing. There have been too many instances in the last 50 years of apathy winning.

moonrakerz

mm684 wrote: »

Also our meter (legally) goes backward when we export to the grid.
We then can use what we have exported.

If your "meter goes backwards" how do you know how much you have exported to the grid ? I was under the impression that you had to have a separate meter to enable accurate readings to be taken. how exactly do you calculate your "bill" for the power that you put back into the grid ?
How is the frequency and phasing of your turbine's variable output kept in sync with the grid ?

I am really interested in your system, could you supply a detailed description of all the components in your complete system - perhaps some photos too ?

Cardew

mm684 wrote: »

I'm lucky enough to work from home so our electricity use can be varied in the day.
Also our meter (legally) goes backward when we export to the grid.
We then can use what we have exported.
Today we have used 2KWH in the last 8 hours.
It's cheap and varied in the electircity generated but its still better than doing nothing. There have been too many instances in the last 50 years of apathy winning.

You keep using the statement "we have used"

I have a strange feeling that when you say "we have used 2kWh in the past 8 hours" you mean that you have used 2 kWh from the Grid(e.g. paid for electricity)

That would account for your statement that:

On a windy day we use 3KWH and on a still day 12 KWH

If my theory is correct, that means you are assuming that on a windy day you are saving 9kWh? which you believe is being produced by Windsave?

Have I understood that correctly?

colinS

I can't believe we are taking mm684's posting seriously, surely it should have been posted on April 1st.

First, you can't export the output from a Windsave turbine to the grid for money, you can only dump it there free of charge. Secondly we have not been told where in the UK the site of his turbine is, and have no pictures of the turbine at work.

Until we get some more details to prove the claims made by mm684 I have to consider the posting a complete wind-up - if you will forgive the pun.

moonrakerz

colinS wrote: »

Until we get some more details to prove the claims made by mm684 I have to consider the posting a complete wind-up - if you will forgive the pun.

I did ask for lots more info - deafening silence since then !

magyar

colinS wrote: »

I can't believe we are taking mm684's posting seriously, surely it should have been posted on April 1st.

First, you can't export the output from a Windsave turbine to the grid for money, you can only dump it there free of charge. Secondly we have not been told where in the UK the site of his turbine is, and have no pictures of the turbine at work.

Until we get some more details to prove the claims made by mm684 I have to consider the posting a complete wind-up - if you will forgive the pun.

I agree it's almost an incredulous claim, but there are plenty of people who are able to export microgenerated power and effectively get net metering. I work for one of the utilities and, whilst we don't have it as a standard product, it's being trialled around the country (for people with up to 6kW generation).

So it's not impossible that someone has that setup.

Cardew

Well mm684 visited the site yesterday. I can't believe he wouldn't have looked for a response to the only 2 posts he has made on the site.

I don't think it is a wind-up(not certain though) I believe the explanation in Post #245 is most plausible.

The trouble is that there will be people who will believe him!!

colinS

On the subject of net metering a few things have to be taken into consideration. As far as I know winding the meter back in this country is still illegal, parliament with its usual sloth in matters of renewable energy is still talking about winding meters back. One of the problems must be that not all electricity supply companies have generators, they buy electricity wholesale and sell it on. If mm684 was with one of these utilities he would be robbing his supplier; as it has already been pointed out there is no way of knowing how much has been exported to the grid. Even in the US, where net metering is more is use, there is no set system; so states allow the winding back of meters, some do not, and many states still do not allow net metering.

Let's be quite blunt about this, mm684 is either a liar, or a complete idiot who has probably been sold a load of old cobblers by a Windsave sales person. All mm684 has to do is supply us with the name of his electricity supplier, then we can emain them for details of the groundbreaking renewable energy deal he has with them, but has not been heralded by every green NGO in the country.

moonrakerz

colinS wrote: »

. All mm684 has to do is supply us with the name of his electricity supplier, then we can emain them for details of the groundbreaking renewable energy deal he has with them, but has not been heralded by every green NGO in the country.

I'm still waiting !