Bulgaria Property

PasturesNew

Rodin wrote: »

To advise people on a money forum (do keep up) not to think an overseas property purchase is a guaranteed good investment.
If you need further help please ask

I couldn't even point to bulgaria on an outline map of the world if it were the last question on Who Wants to Be a Millionaire.

So I won't need help.

maninthestreet

Investing in property always carries a risk - investing in overseas property even more so - CAVEAT EMPTOR.

Rodin

Correct, yes indeed, our super soaraway sizzling Sun does accurately report the monstrous evil savagery going on in Bulgaria, as also do our Times, Telegraph, Guardian, Independent, Mirror, Express, Mail, Star, News of the World et al if you take your head out of your derriere and make the effort to read up on the subject as many of us educated intelligent Brits do. Also, if you ever watch UK tv or read UK websites you will find the same knowledge and information in abundance.

Give one example of this 'savagery'.
There is corruption at a high level, the legagy of Communism, but it rarely affects the situation I originally posted about -greedy/get rich British & Irish.

The company featured on Watchdog was Bulgarian Dreams -a British company.

So what.

So how can you blame Bulgaria and Bulgarians? There are numerous other examples of crooked Brits being involved in these schemes, as evidenced on Watchdog.

You're talking ignorant, racist nonsense.

No, I’m informed and know what I’m talking about, you’re ignorant, prejudiced, biased and clearly obviously got an agenda.

Your information comes from the gutter press, you clearly have no knowledge of the country, the people or its culture, as shown by your crass, blanket 'Eastern European' comment. Is Bulgaria, the same as Croatia, the Ukraine etc etc?


I live in Bulgaria

Well, good luck to you.

in a city with more galleries, bookshops, good restaurants and great people than most places in the UK.

Rubbish, you yourself have stated that it’s the poorest country in the whole of Europe so of course everything is terribly impoverished and right down the bottom of the scale, isn’t it, and just being contrasuggestible and displaying a bad attitude simply reveals your acute paucity of intellect and personal agenda.

You obviously haven't visited or read about Sofia, where I live.
It is a poor country, 20 years post Communism, and needs support and help, as well as proper inward investment.
What it doesn't need is get rich quick Brits, seduced by the UK TV you endorse.

There are criminal gangs as everywhere,

Yes indeed, but it’s a whole lot worse in east Europe than it is in UK as you can see if you look up the crime figures for murder, robbery, fraud, rape, violence, home invasion etc.

There are warring criminal gangs here, but most e.g. murders are against each other. We don't have gangs here fighting for territory as in Manchester, Liverpool, Birmingham,parts of London with innocent people getting killed.

but no binge drinking,

No, they don't binge drink, a lot of them simply drink all the time and often hardcore bootleg moonshine spirits and wood alcohol and meths and such like so they often drop dead of cirrhosis at a young age, there's a terrible problem with endemic acute alcoholism in all the east Europe countries, much more so than in UK

Absolute nonsense.
Provide evidence, rather than lies.
People here drink small amounts with their meal, there are no happy hours, or alcopops, or shots, or all day drinking bouts.

streets are safe at night and no chav behaviour.

Yes, that’s also true, as it was in communist USSR cos everyone’s permanently on lock down cos the streets are ruled by the monstrous evil murdering Mafiosi and the monstrous evil murdering secret police as is frequently publicised in our free press and media here in the free rich successful democratic UK where we stopped all the overt thug empires in the 1960s unlike in east Europe where people still currently live as we did in 1400.

I think you've been reading too many 1950s US comics about evil Communists.....and the UK is very successful, remind us about the economy and the numbers dying in crazy wars?

If soft Brits get ripped off it's usually by 'hard' Brits.

No it’s not, it’s usually by the savage barbarian foreigners, actually, as is well known and well publicised, actually.

You need to wake up and open your mind and do some reading and listening and learning rather than spouting crass inane untrue nonsense.

I'm beginning to realise that you're a complete barmpot.
As someone said, never have a battle of wits with an unarmed opponent.

Rodin

neverdespairgirl wrote: »

The Nations in Transit 2010: Bulgaria report by Freedom House doesn't entirely agree with you that Bulgaria's a wonderful place.

Since 2007, however, the Bulgarian government has come under strong criticism for backsliding on its reform efforts. As a result of several scandals, some payments under EU funding programs were suspended in 2008. Furthermore, events during 2009 showed that efforts are still needed to ensure the vitality and continued progress of Bulgarian democracy. Many essential issues remain to be addressed, including reform of the judiciary, fighting corruption and organized crime, improvements in the treatment of underprivileged groups, and measures to restore public trust in democracy and reengage citizens in politics.

Judicial Framework and Independence. There were no major developments in the legal framework of the justice system in Bulgaria in 2009. The most important changes during the year came to the Supreme Judicial Council's procedures for appointing senior magistrates. Serious scandals, however, marred this entire process. Owing to the judiciary's inadequate reaction to scandals within the justice system in 2009, Bulgaria's judicial framework and independence rating remains at 3.00.

Corruption. Despite a scandal-ridden 2008, the institutional structure for fighting corruption in Bulgaria did not undergo substantive changes in 2009. The new Bulgarian government launched investigations into the activities of its predecessor, with indictments against one former minister, yet many of those under investigation are members of the opposition and political motives cannot be ruled out a priori. Some of the frozen EU funds were released by the European Commission following corruption-related reforms. However, Bulgaria continued to lack coordination between the various anticorruption units. International measurements of economic freedom and bureaucratic burdens on business, as well as some measures of corruption, improved in 2009, but the procurement procedure remained marred by corruption and abuse. While a number of positive steps were taken to regain the momentum leading up to 2008, the fight against corruption is still inconsistent, thus Bulgaria's corruption rating remains at 4.00.

I've said that there is corruption at a high level, but it has no bearing on rip off UK companies ripping off greedy Brits.
I might as well introduce British MPs with their fake expenses into the debate -it's irrelevant.
Bulgaria is a country with beautiful countryside, wildlife and a great climate for 6/7 months (and perfect Winter climate if you ski etc). You can buy massive houses with great areas of land for 30,000 euros. Why pay double that for a 80 square metre box in an overdeveloped resort?
Stupidity and greed.


and that's why my 'savage' Bulgarian friends, the jazz musician, the artist and the novelist have a quiet dig at the 'barbaric' British.
We have much to learn from a country that is not driven by monetary greed.

puddy

PasturesNew wrote: »

I couldn't even point to bulgaria on an outline map of the world if it were the last question on Who Wants to Be a Millionaire.

So I won't need help.

i think its sort of to the right of us, past france and italy, somewhere round there and up a bit

firstaspect

Is Bulgaria where the BFG lives?

puddy

in my mind, i often get bulgaria confused with belgium. they are in fact, very different

mynameisdave

Reuters, the worlds red top tabloid rag also has a negative story on Bulgaria
http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSL1291056220071212

Yahoo News reporting on a story from Bulgaria reported on Bulgarian TV where kidnapping has become "fashionable"
http://business.maktoob.com/20090000408758/Bulgaria_kidnapping_gang_busted_23_nabbed/Article.htm

I'm guessing that Onna, the woman in this story, is Bulgarian, not British.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/from_our_own_correspondent/8522678.stm

I wasn't involved in this debate but when you ask for proof that can be cound on page 1 of a google search with the phrase "bulgarian crime gangs" I just have to do it

Former State Security dude runs criminal gang shocker
http://www.balkaninsight.com/en/main/news/30434/

Then a few more searches reveals
http://sofiaecho.com/2010/07/25/937427_killers-group-intended-assassination-of-bulgarian-pm-borissov-report

(Funny that a PM trying to crack down on crime and corruption in a nice country without any problems would become target for murder.)

Is the Telegraph a gutter paper?
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/bulgaria/3463957/Inside-Europes-corruption-capital-how-Bulgarias-crime-!!!!!-plunders-EU-grant-money.html

The Beeb?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/7301316.stm

The Independent?
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/bulgaria-and-romania-plagued-by-corruption-454984.html

Article in the Economist that seemed to fit the bill based on google but cannot be viewed unless you are a subscriber
http://www.economist.com/node/16219865?story_id=16219865

These?
http://www.novinite.com/view_news.php?id=120205
http://www.euractiv.com/en/enlargement/large-scale-corruption-exposed-bulgaria-s-president-visits-brussels-news-282241

puddy

but they do nice beer and frites











or is that belgium again??

Rodin

mynameisdave wrote: »

Reuters, the worlds red top tabloid rag also has a negative story on Bulgaria
http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSL1291056220071212

Yahoo News reporting on a story from Bulgaria reported on Bulgarian TV where kidnapping has become "fashionable"
http://business.maktoob.com/20090000408758/Bulgaria_kidnapping_gang_busted_23_nabbed/Article.htm

I'm guessing that Onna, the woman in this story, is Bulgarian, not British.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/from_our_own_correspondent/8522678.stm

I wasn't involved in this debate but when you ask for proof that can be cound on page 1 of a google search with the phrase "bulgarian crime gangs" I just have to do it

Former State Security dude runs criminal gang shocker
http://www.balkaninsight.com/en/main/news/30434/

Then a few more searches reveals
http://sofiaecho.com/2010/07/25/937427_killers-group-intended-assassination-of-bulgarian-pm-borissov-report

(Funny that a PM trying to crack down on crime and corruption in a nice country without any problems would become target for murder.)

Is the Telegraph a gutter paper?
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/bulgaria/3463957/Inside-Europes-corruption-capital-how-Bulgarias-crime-!!!!!-plunders-EU-grant-money.html

The Beeb?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/7301316.stm

The Independent?
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/bulgaria-and-romania-plagued-by-corruption-454984.html

Article in the Economist that seemed to fit the bill based on google but cannot be viewed unless you are a subscriber
http://www.economist.com/node/16219865?story_id=16219865

These?
http://www.novinite.com/view_news.php?id=120205
http://www.euractiv.com/en/enlargement/large-scale-corruption-exposed-bulgaria-s-president-visits-brussels-news-282241

As I've said there is corruption (BTW the UK is squeaky clean isn't it?) but my original post was about greedy Brits buying property for a fast buck.
Nowt to do with organised crime or rip off British companies like Bulgarian Dreams. Still if it suits your agenda to blame it on a small (8M population) country, just 20 odd years after Communism, then do carry on with your selective C n P.

I've just returned from sitting in a cafe at 70F with beer at 60p per 500 ml enjoying great conversation with intelligent people.
The numpty views on this forum remind me of why I chose to escape the ugly, reality TV obsessed, greedy, grasping, get rich quick UK.