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Is wanting a large family so bad?

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  • I shall repeat what I said. I don't care how you judge me, because I don't know you and you don't know me, so stop making it such a big deal.
    If having different experiences, thoughts and ideas to you, or having an opinion that you don't understand, makes me a troll, then I am proud to be a 100% crying, talking, sleeping, walking, living Troll. :hello:
  • Re. the example of children at the zoo....

    We took 6 children, a friend and her child, eldest son and his GF to the zoo in the summer. We do it every year in fact.

    We start at the beginning, make our way round, stop for picnic lunch, start again for feeding time. We don't lose anybody and no one argues, they are all well behaved as we are well practised in management of our family and crowd control.

    Of course there are the occasional tantrum, but as a large family, we don't tolerate behaviour which could spoil others (non family) enjoyment, and we can't allow it to snowball, as we'd end up with a riot.

    A large family has many positives and of course some drawbacks ~ as do smaller families.
    I ave a dodgy H, so sometimes I will sound dead common, on occasion dead stupid and rarely, pig ignorant. Sometimes I may be these things, but I will always blame it on my dodgy H.

    Sorry, I'm a bit of a grumble weed today, no offence intended ... well it might be, but I'll be sorry.
  • At the end of the day, no one has the right to tell the OP she cannot have any more children, indeed no one has to my knowledge. Though some valid points have been raised by myself and others about the importance of time spent with individual children, and that they have time and space away from their siblings on occasion. The OP does not seem to have taken this on board, merely dismissed it as she doesn't understand it. There we are.
    Re. the example of children at the zoo....

    We took 6 children, a friend and her child, eldest son and his GF to the zoo in the summer. We do it every year in fact.

    We start at the beginning, make our way round, stop for picnic lunch, start again for feeding time. We don't lose anybody and no one argues, they are all well behaved as we are well practised in management of our family and crowd control.

    Of course there are the occasional tantrum, but as a large family, we don't tolerate behaviour which could spoil others (non family) enjoyment, and we can't allow it to snowball, as we'd end up with a riot.

    A large family has many positives and of course some drawbacks ~ as do smaller families.

    That's good, I wasn't damning every large family around as some do sterling jobs :)
  • Imp
    Imp Posts: 1,035 Forumite
    ceridwen wrote: »
    IMP

    I have provided this link on various occasions before - including earlier in this thread:D - but here it is AGAIN <sigh>

    http://www.optimumpopulation.org/

    Thank you for the link, I am taking the time to look through it.

    I just wanted to share this nugget from the News section of the web site.
    NEWS RELEASE

    March 26 2009
    SEX IS MAIN CAUSE OF POPULATION GROWTH

    (And green lifestyles alone won’t solve environmental problems…)

    Sex, not religious or cultural beliefs or the quest for economic security, is what increases family size and drives world population growth, according to one of the UK’s leading authorities on family planning.
  • Personally i think the issue of over population is a valid one.....can anyone else name a specie that breeds without any regard for its habitat or the ability of that habitat to support the increasing population?

    I can't help thinking its not so much the number of children that concerns the OP but it almost sounds as if she needs to be needed (if that makes any sense) or even the need / attention that being pregnant brings that she likes.
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  • Imp
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    edited 11 September 2010 pm30 3:22PM
    Personally i think the issue of over population is a valid one.....can anyone else name a specie that breeds without any regard for its habitat or the ability of that habitat to support the increasing population?

    I can't help thinking its not so much the number of children that concerns the OP but it almost sounds as if she needs to be needed (if that makes any sense) or even the need / attention that being pregnant brings that she likes.

    There have been studies done on this, I can't find them right now but I seem to recall that, given a food source and no predators, most species will breed until their population is unsustainable for the available food source, at which point the population collapses. Alternatively, predators find them and the predators population grows until the original species population collapses, at which point the predator's population collapses.

    Anecdote 1
    An example: Lake Guri

    In 1986, the closing of a dam in Venezuela flooded over a thousand square miles turning hundreds of hilltops into islands. These ranged in size from less than 1 hectare (2.5 acres) to more than 150 hectares (370 acres).


    Within 8 years,

    The tiniest islands (<1 hectare) lost 75% of the species that had lived there.
    The larger the island, the fewer species it lost.
    But all the islands — even the largest — lost their top predators; that is carnivores like pumas, jaguars (image), and eagles at the ends of food chains.
    Those animal species that did remain — mostly herbivores and small carnivores — greatly increased their populations because of
    a reduction in competition for resources, and
    no longer being eaten by predators.
    The intense grazing by the increased herbivore populations is degrading the variety of plant life on the smaller islands.


    Anecdote 2
    Voles

    The vole population in Finland regularly goes through 3-year cycles of boom-and-bust. When Korpimäki and Norrdahl removed all their predators (both mammals and birds) from their test areas, the cycles ceased.

    Here, then, the cycles were driven by the density-dependent check of predation.

    These are taken from

    http://users.rcn.com/jkimball.ma.ultranet/BiologyPages/P/Populations2.html

    But as with anything on the internet, don't believe without doing your own research.
  • Imp wrote: »
    There have been studies done on this, I can't find them right now but I seem to recall that, given a food source and no predators, most species will breed until their population is unsustainable for the available food source, at which point the population collapses. Alternatively, predators find them and the predators population grows until the original species population collapses, at which point the predator's population collapses.

    So on the basis that man has no predators (other than man but that's a whole different topic) and man is supposed to be the most intelligent specie on this planet (but again that's debatable) at what point does man realise s/he can't breed ad infinitum because the whole eco-system will just collapse? Or will mother nature step in and cause a massive population decrease through some natural cause?
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  • ceridwen
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    Imp wrote: »
    Now, now, I think we all need to calm down. Environmentalism has taken on all the hall marks of a 21st Century religion, with a series of beliefs which have somehow become universal truths - Global Warming, Over Population etc.

    But over population isnt a belief - its a FACT.

    If anyone would like to try and "count heads" of the world population themselves - or even of Britain's population and "prove" that there are a lot less people than we have actually been told of course - then there is nothing to stop them doing so (apart from the fact it will involve them in a heck of a lot of hard work of course......:rotfl:).

    I am willing to stand corrected if someone can prove to me that Britain only has 15 million people - rather than the over 60 million we are told it has...
  • Imp
    Imp Posts: 1,035 Forumite
    ceridwen wrote: »
    But over population isnt a belief - its a FACT.

    If anyone would like to try and "count heads" of the world population themselves - or even of Britain's population and "prove" that there are a lot less people than we have actually been told of course - then there is nothing to stop them doing so (apart from the fact it will involve them in a heck of a lot of hard work of course......:rotfl:).

    I am willing to stand corrected if someone can prove to me that Britain only has 15 million people - rather than the over 60 million we are told it has...


    You kind of miss the point, you believe that Britain can only support fewer than 60 million people, I believe there is no such limit (or if there is it is significantly higher). I put it to you to prove that Britain is overpopulated, using any metric you decide (except the fact that in the past the population was less, that doesn't prove anything).
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