Please help student moving house

poppet16_2

Blacksheep1979 wrote: »

Can I just try get this story straight - your 18 year old daughter (presumably in second year of university) moves into a house with 2 others:

Day 1-3 there's 6 people round and your daughter politely requests they turn the music down (or similar)
Some point days 1-3 other flatmates get locked out of the house (how were they locked out? Did someone lock them out as they were upset re parties etc?)
Daughter nicely asks less noise/shouldn't have kicked the door in and other flatmates threaten to kill her...

I'm sorry but this doesn't quite add up somewhere to me. What have the police said, any charges being brought?

Ok my daughter is going into the first year she moved in with two supposed friends they all had to sign each others tenancy agreements (so all three signed and they all got a copy)
After the first night my daughter phoned me in tears saying they had a big row as the other two girls wanted to get keys cut for friends (My daughter disagreed as this was against the tenancy agreement)I went over explained this and they agreed not to do it ( after the two girls were really rude to me and i said i would have no choice but to inform the LL if they did)

They decided to try and work things out and went for a night out,on returning from the night out the key snapped in the door and one of the girls came up with the idea of smashing the back door to get in (my daughter said to ring the 24hr helpline the others out voted her)
The next night a party was arranged as a housewarming my daughter invited 2 friends the others a lot more all in all about 30 people.Someone asked if they could use my daughters room during the party she said no.they found her key and a group piled in her room and shut the door with the yale lock and taunted her,they eventually let her in and an argument commenced.You have to bear in mind this wasnt my daughter against 1 or 2 but 20 she locked her door and fled the house.A friend she invited who was driving and not drinking went back in for some clothes for her and came out to say that her door was open (she had locked it) and the room was full of people.
She came home that night, we phoned the police to break the party up and rescue her belongings this was at 11.15 by 6.30am we gave up waiting and went and collected her things.
The police had been but by then the room had been tidied and vacated although some money was missing the police said it would be hard to prove who took it.
The rest and bits i have skimmed over are in previous posts .My daughter is quite a sensible girl and the stories have been verified and admitted too at the meeting with the LL by the other girls

Blacksheep1979

tbh they're out of order but involving parents and police in minor disputes such as the ones above is only going to antagonise the situation.

So really all that has happened is that there's been a bit of an argument (which probably got worse when someone decided they couldn't fight their own corner and called their parents), someone drunkenly tried to break in when a key snapped in the lock and people went in her room at a party (then a bit of cash went walk about). If that's the worst thing that happened during my stint at uni (or anyone else's) I'd be shocked.

If she's getting that upset about these things then I'd suggest accommodation on her own

poppet16_2

Blacksheep1979 wrote: »

tbh they're out of order but involving parents and police in minor disputes such as the ones above is only going to antagonise the situation.

So really all that has happened is that there's been a bit of an argument (which probably got worse when someone decided they couldn't fight their own corner and called their parents), someone drunkenly tried to break in when a key snapped in the lock and people went in her room at a party (then a bit of cash went walk about). If that's the worst thing that happened during my stint at uni (or anyone else's) I'd be shocked.

If she's getting that upset about these things then I'd suggest accommodation on her own

I suppose it all depends on the upbrining
you had

if vandalising LL property, 20 people chasing 1 out off a house and down the street, and stealing all seem acceptible to you.
My daughter was brought up with standards and morals some people obviously werent.
The title of the thread is 'HELP PLEASE' not 'judge by your standards'.

neverdespairgirl

Blacksheep1979 wrote: »

If she's getting that upset about these things then I'd suggest accommodation on her own

I never had anything like that in university accommodation, either in halls or private rented flats.

And, at 18, I'd have been panicked by it, too.

But I've successfully shared flats with lots of others!

poppet16_2

Thank you for saying that i dont think some people realise just how traumatic this was for her.She wont move home now and was really scared.

Mankysteve

I think you need to separate the emotional side of things from the legal things. It doesnt really matter why your daughter fell out with her house mates in term of the legal side of things. If you want to discuss that go over to the families broad.

What you need to know now is where does she stand legally.


We need to know exact details of the contract?. Ie was it let by room or let by house

Where they are several liable for the rent?

Was the deposit protected?

If the ll has changed your daughter locks she entitled t a key unless he/she agreed to end the tenancy.

Use recorded delivery letters in communication with ll. She will be liable for the damage to the back door.



Please leave emotions out of legal discussions stick to the facts she had a fallen out and needs to move.

neverdespairgirl

poppet16 wrote: »

Thank you for saying that i dont think some people realise just how traumatic this was for her.She wont move home now and was really scared.

I'm not suprised, a very nasty experience.

As others have said, though, you need to look at the legal side of it as objectively as possible.

What you've said about contracts for the place I found a bit confusing, to be honest. I'm entirely unclear as to whether it's a joint AST, or 3 separate ones with cross-guarantees.

You might be well advised to contact the Private Tenants' Officer at the council where the flat is.

poppet16_2

Hello the tenancy says its a assured shorthold tennancy for 1 year between brudenell properties limited
They all had to sign the tennancy together and it says 'the tennants shall be jointly and severally responsible for all rents payable under this agreement and for all other obligations imposed by the agreement'
I am not sure what this means ?

RAS

It means that if the other tenants clear off or run up arrears, the landlord can chase your daughter for the arrears. Jointly and severally - each person is liable for the whole amount, so the creditor can go for the one with most money.

Did any of the parents guarantee this AST?

poppet16_2

Hi yes they all 3 tennants had to have a guarantor although we never saw a contract just a sheet of paper to sign for the guarantor