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Sambucus_Nigra

jem16 wrote: »

Even professionals can snap after the continual goading going along here!

What is it with this forum? We have people prepared to give up their time to help others and they get followed around by several people whose nose is obviously out of joint as they are no longer the "king pin".

Disagree by all means - however keep the personal remarks to yourself.

This forum is getting a bad name instead of being the helpful place it used to be.

I've not made personal remarks actually; I think you'll find that was SarEl!

jem16

Sambucus_Nigra wrote: »

I've not made personal remarks actually; I think you'll find that was SarEl!

The remark wasn't made specifically towards you - it was made to every poster in general.

Edinburghlass_2

Emmzi wrote: »

I think you have both added value to this thread but again suggest you take your differences to PM or, if not confident you can resolve this yourselves, ask MSE towers to intervene and give guidance on appropriate advice and behaviour.

The constant bickering must make it even more difficult for people asking for advice to do so - it creates a most unpleasant atmosphere.

I'm not sure MSE Towers will intervene in playground squabbles

Thread and both users reported as stated above, most unpleasant atmosphere and not just in this particular thread.

Jemzie

jem16 wrote: »

Even professionals can snap after the continual goading going along here!

What is it with this forum? We have people prepared to give up their time to help others and they get followed around by several people whose nose is obviously out of joint as they are no longer the "king pin".

Disagree by all means - however keep the personal remarks to yourself.

This forum is getting a bad name instead of being the helpful place it used to be.

I agree. The board is getting a reputation all over the internet for the sniping, abuse and offensive behaviour of posters, and more especially that of regular posters. We had far too many employment law barristers offering free help and advice to people here, so we have lost nothing by SarEl leaving. Oh wait. We don't and we have. No doubt DVardysShadow is really proud of her/himself for successfully driving a valued adviser from this board and this site. After all, it has been apparaent all alonmg that the onbly opinion that mattered here was theirs.

SarEl did not start any of this. All she did was offer people good sound advice based on the information that they posted. Whether they took that advice or not was up to them. Had it not been for DVardysShadow taking offence at her doing this, that would still be the case. SarEl did not start the attacks and did nothing to deserve them. DVardysShadow simply launched a bitter and uncalled for attack and has never given up since then. DVardysShadow has used the slighest excuse to attack and abuse SarEl on a personal basis, whilst SarEl has not once initiated any such behaviour and has actually failed to point out occasions on which her attacker has given incorrect legal advice, choosing instead simply to post the correct information without a single reference to what DVardysShadow has incorrectly said.

This board is now a disgrace to MSE, full of trolls, abuse and "experts posters" like DVardysShadow who are actually experts at nothing but posting and want to maintain their "protected status" as experts by driving away any competition.

Sambucus_Nigra

Jemzie wrote: »

I agree. The board is getting a reputation all over the internet for the sniping, abuse and offensive behaviour of posters, and more especially that of regular posters. We had far too many employment law barristers offering free help and advice to people here, so we have lost nothing by SarEl leaving. Oh wait. We don't and we have. No doubt DVardysShadow is really proud of her/himself for successfully driving a valued adviser from this board and this site. After all, it has been apparaent all alonmg that the onbly opinion that mattered here was theirs.

SarEl did not start any of this. All she did was offer people good sound advice based on the information that they posted. Whether they took that advice or not was up to them. Had it not been for DVardysShadow taking offence at her doing this, that would still be the case. SarEl did not start the attacks and did nothing to deserve them. DVardysShadow simply launched a bitter and uncalled for attack and has never given up since then. DVardysShadow has used the slighest excuse to attack and abuse SarEl on a personal basis, whilst SarEl has not once initiated any such behaviour and has actually failed to point out occasions on which her attacker has given incorrect legal advice, choosing instead simply to post the correct information without a single reference to what DVardysShadow has incorrectly said.

This board is now a disgrace to MSE, full of trolls, abuse and "experts posters" like DVardysShadow who are actually experts at nothing but posting and want to maintain their "protected status" as experts by driving away any competition.

See, I don't see it like that.

All DV seems to be asking is that the advice is given in context. ie - that of a 'professional working in employment law' which a simple line on a signature would show.

And in some cases, the debate has stopped as soon as SarEl has spoken due to [almost] scaring off anyone else from posting.

For example - shouting at the OP here because they didn't understand the context.

I don't see the problem in a range of solutions and suggesting some negotiation and discussion to resolve employment situations; which is what DV always suggests.

Jemzie

Sambucus_Nigra wrote: »

See, I don't see it like that.

All DV seems to be asking is that the advice is given in context. ie - that of a 'professional working in employment law' which a simple line on a signature would show.

And in some cases, the debate has stopped as soon as SarEl has spoken due to [almost] scaring off anyone else from posting.

For example - shouting at the OP here because they didn't understand the context.

I don't see the problem in a range of solutions and suggesting some negotiation and discussion to resolve employment situations; which is what DV always suggests.

And this expert opinion comes from someone who has been hurling abuse at other posters on other threads (such as your comments towards Oldernotwiser), having been a MSE forum member for an entire 13 days. And SarEl did not shout at the OP for not understanding the context - she typed part of a post in capitals to emphasise some (still correct) key points that the OP had continually refused to hear from several other posters. That refusing to work on a Sunday is not a legal right which the OP insisted it was despite having been told several times that it wasn't. It is still correct that the OP could not refuse to work on a Sunday as a right, and as SarEl correctly pointed out, the zero hours contract made difference to this since if the OP refused to work hours that don't suit her she may find that she is working no hours and that would suit the employer very nicely.

But it is all moot. This board is left to the likes of you and DVardysShadow until you are bored of playing with it and the people on it.

Jemzie

Sambucus_Nigra wrote: »

You can say whatever you want; to whom you want. What you have to be mindful of is the response that you may get. One of those responses is that you may be in breach of contract if you refuse to work one day a week when your employer wants you to work it. As your contract doesn't explicitly say 'monday to friday' and does say that you have to be flexible, then surely you would be breaking contract if you do not adhere to those conditions.

And add in that you have done this for a year already, so you have formed custom and practice that the employer should rightly be able to rely on.

If you want to negotiate with your employer then negotiate. However expect the worst if you demand.

BTW, it was you who posted this wasn't it. Why didn't you mention the zero hours contract? Because since you didn't your advice was wrong wasn't it? Thats what DVS says. Didn't know about it because the OP didn't mention it? Well that doesn't matter because DVardys only allowing people to post on here if they agree with what he or she says. And you didn't. This is DVS's usual double standards - one rule for SarEl and another for their own sycophants.

ariarnia

SarEl wrote: »

The OP seems to be happy with the prospect of not having any work at all, so they can by all means refuse whatever hours they want and see what the employers response is. However, if the response is to refuse to provide any shifts at all, then they have no legal recourse to unfair dismissal or any other obligations.

Might be a reasonable way of becoming unemployed without being sanctioned for quiting or being fired due to own fault by the job centre.

The job centre are generally accepting of angency workers who haven't been offered any more work, or when I had a zero hour contract at the supermarket and didn't have reliable shifts they were fine with me signing on.

DVardysShadow

Jemzie wrote: »

I agree. The board is getting a reputation all over the internet for the sniping, abuse and offensive behaviour of posters, and more especially that of regular posters. We had far too many employment law barristers offering free help and advice to people here, so we have lost nothing by SarEl leaving. Oh wait. We don't and we have. No doubt DVardysShadow is really proud of her/himself for successfully driving a valued adviser from this board and this site. After all, it has been apparaent all alonmg that the onbly opinion that mattered here was theirs.

SarEl did not start any of this. All she did was offer people good sound advice based on the information that they posted. Whether they took that advice or not was up to them. Had it not been for DVardysShadow taking offence at her doing this, that would still be the case. SarEl did not start the attacks and did nothing to deserve them. DVardysShadow simply launched a bitter and uncalled for attack and has never given up since then. DVardysShadow has used the slighest excuse to attack and abuse SarEl on a personal basis, whilst SarEl has not once initiated any such behaviour and has actually failed to point out occasions on which her attacker has given incorrect legal advice, choosing instead simply to post the correct information without a single reference to what DVardysShadow has incorrectly said.

This board is now a disgrace to MSE, full of trolls, abuse and "experts posters" like DVardysShadow who are actually experts at nothing but posting and want to maintain their "protected status" as experts by driving away any competition.

Except that my problem with SarEl is not that she posts, just that she kills the topic dead once she does. I'll admit to suggesting she should but tout - but in context, you can see it was for a period on each topic to get some other takes on the problem - not an absolute but tout.

The advice was, AFAICS always correct, but she managed the strange feat of getting it wrong with correct advice. As in this case, where a bit more probing revealed that we were talking about a 0 Hour contract and a breach of the WTD. SarEl has huffily defended her original advice rather than seriously address the new information Yes, we have lost a resource, but she is no more irreplaceable than any of us and I hope that the forum will now benefit from a wider perspective on the issues of the workplace. I have only ever known 1 person go to ET, so SarEl's perspective is rather a minority. Perhaps zzzLazyDaisy will put in more appearances [only seen here once since mid July].

As for this forum being a disgrace to MSE, I think you are overstating it, but I would agree there is the ID Jemzie, created solely to have a go at me.

DVardysShadow

Jemzie wrote: »

And this expert opinion comes from someone who has been hurling abuse at other posters on other threads (such as your comments towards Oldernotwiser), having been a MSE forum member for an entire 13 days.

Who are you to complain about someone who has only been a member for 13 days. You have only been a member for 7 days. :rotfl::rotfl::rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:

Oh, wait, you are a long term poster who has created a secondary ID just to have a go at me. :rotfl::rotfl::rotfl::rotfl::rotfl: