New Boiler advice

NOD_2

Hi all,

I have recently moved and am looking into getting a new boiler as the current one is very old Glow worm Mk2 fuel saver 50B and from my research is fairly inefficient into today’s terms.

I plan to get 3 quotes (1 national and two local) and had British gas quote yesterday. I have a 4 bed detached house with 11 radiator, 1 main bathroom, 1 shower room and a down stairs toilet.

As expected there quote seems a bit steep to me and will be keen to get a few more quotes in, but in the mean time I’m just interested in a few other people thoughts about the boiler they suggest:

They plan for minimal work as the boiler will go in the same place as the old (garage) and no major work is required as all the existing pipework/water tank etc are good.

Glow worm Flexicom 15hx £595.35
1 yr Home Care 200 free
Horizontal flue terminal £198.29
Internal Condensate Connection £75.51
Replacement boiler Electric & Test £158.62
Install condensate pump £172.33
Install Copper Pipe (22mm * 3m) £57.19
Building Work £173.56
Install boiler auto by pass £96.06
Install main earth bonding free
Waster Collection & disposal £41.12
System water treatment & power flush £435.98 (is this recommended as apposed to something like Sentinel X400 which is about £15?)
Install 22mm Magnetic system filter £223
Summer Discount -£100
Total £2819.30

Many Thanks

Cardew

Welcome to the forum.

Just a comment on your research.

Many people on here would never dream of replacing a working boiler for a modern condensing boiler. There have been lots of threads on this subject and this is a couple of quotes.

Quote:

The Royal InstitutionofChartered Surveyors stated recently :

The average cost of installing one of these modern boilers is £1,720, but saves on average just £95 off people's gas bills." See:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...erts-warn.html

Quote:

From the Guardian

But critics argue the switchover is unlikely to be plain sailing. The new systems cost upwards of £2,500 to buy and install - £500 more on average than conventional boilers. And if the many letters from Jobs & Money readers and heating engineers are anything to go by, the boilers come with a hidden surcharge, so high that it can wipe out all the gains for the homeowner and the environment.
Critics argue that condenser boilers malfunction easily and can cost hundreds of pounds a year to maintain. Many survive only half as long as their traditional counterparts. They are technically complex, with many more things that can go wrong than traditional boilers. It can add up to nightmarish bills.
One major independent firm of plumbers said that over the past three to four years it has made thousands of call-outs to mend condensing boilers, and that the greenhouse gas emissions from its vans were probably greater than the savings made by the shift to eco-conscious boilers.

Quote:

It is the condensing technology that makes new boilers so expensive to repair.

There are scores of posts on MSE from those of us with boilers over 20 years old that rarely if ever go wrong.

There are equally scores of posts from people with newish condensing boilers who have had hugely expensive repairs - often electronic board replacement being required at the cost of £hundreds.

Plenty of evidence to suggest that the design life of condensing boilers is 10 years if you are lucky. Most guarantees are for 2 years. A few for 5 years provided you pay each year for expensive servicing.

Take the average gas consumer spending £700pa on gas. He will be extremely lucky if he saves 25% even if he has a really ancient boiler. So he might save £175 pa.


You will do well to get a boiler fitted for under £2000. That invested long term at even 5% will produce £80 a year after tax(more if compounded) so your net saving will be less than £100 a year.

Only a City banker could not understand those economics

So we are forced into buying complicated equipment, expensive to repair and with a limited life and that's progress?

neas

Supply and fit a Worcester 30cdi A rated Condensing boiler with a vertical flue to the airing
cupboard
Supply and fit a programmable room stat to the hall way.
Supply and fit a mini- expansion vessel to the cold water supply to the boiler.
Supply and fit thermostatic valves to the existing radiators.
Remove the existing boiler, flue. cylinder and roof tanks.
Connect the existing cold water fed from the tanks in to the cold water supply for the
bathrooms.
Supply and fit a gas supply from the meter to the boiler in 22 mm copper pipe,
Supply and fit a condensate pipe to the waste using a pump.
On completion we will flush the system and place an inhibitor in to the system


That was my quote from a WB installer, i also got 5 years parts and labour gaurantee so long as i pay 60 quid a year service... which is good too. Total cost was 2.3k.... the vertical flue was expensive and my boiler is worth 1,000 quid on its own.

Basically trhe GB price is prob overpriced by 500-800 quid.