British parking association

bromsgrovebarry

I suggest you write to Parking Eye fining them £1000 reduced to £500 if paid within 14 days. If they still do not pay, threaten them with CCJs and a visit from the bailiffs to sieze assets. Send a couple of more nasty letters and sell the 'debt' on to Neanderthal Debt Collectors Ltd.

AlexisV

(2) You stated: -
"As you know, the private parking system is based on the Law of Contract (or less commonly, the tort of trespass), and as such our legal advice has told us that in forming a contract between the driver and the operator, if that contract is broken, an operator is allowed to claim for reasonable losses that have been incurred in the execution of their parking contract with the landowner. As such, the missed opportunity for parking would be taken into account, but costs incurred for maintenance of parking equipment, administration of tickets and appeals, wages for staff and other costs would also be taken into account."

I believe the aspect of costs incurred pursuing an unenforceable invoice were dealt with in Heatherington-Jakeman.

peter_the_piper

landmark wrote: »

"One condition of membership of the BPA is that the company has a complaints procedure that enables motorists to challenge any ticket that they believe was not merited. This year, the BPA will launch an independent body to consider cases in which a motorist is unhappy with the way that a company has dealt with a complaint, and it will be mandatory for parking companies to abide by the decisions of that body. Those that do not, without good reason, will be expelled from the BPA and will no longer be able to enforce parking restrictions on their land with the use of vehicle keeper data from DVLA."

Norman Baker MP
http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm201011/cmhansrd/cm100914/halltext/100914h0002.htm

Unless there is a change in the DPA then this statement is groundless whilst Ranger services and others will sell your number to anyone who asks, for a fee that is.

landmark

peter_the_piper wrote: »

Unless there is a change in the DPA then this statement is groundless whilst Ranger services and others will sell your number to anyone who asks, for a fee that is.

Then I think it may be time to write to Norman Baker:wall:

anewman

BPA setting up an independent body :rotfl::rotfl::rotfl::rotfl::rotfl::rotfl::rotfl::rotfl::rotfl: idiots. Will not be independent and is just a delaying tactic to offset any Government action which may kill their profits. Expect the same "your ticket was not displayed on the dashboard and therefore the charge stands" crap, and all roads lead to "appeal refused".

Coupon-mad

landmark wrote: »

Then I think it may be time to write to Norman Baker:wall:

Yep, I will be doing so.

Never thought I would agree with anything that man said as he has a reputation as a 'football-hating nimby' in Sussex and got many people's backs up in recent years. Still he lost that little battle...;)

But all credit to him if he's the 'driving' force(!) behind the clamping decision I think as his constituents had run-ins with rogue clampers at a car boot sale a couple of years ago and he understood it was a scam very quickly.

I am sure he will be open to listen to info about the scam of the BPA, Ranger Services, tickets not being 'fines' et al as he clearly doesn't think much of the PPC industry. He just needs a bit more info to really get it - and now's the time for us to tell him (before the Freedom Bill).

I also think we should all say how much we support the decision to ban clamping and say why.

I suspect that he's getting lots of contact from clampers bleating that they'll play nicer if he'll just reconsider, etc., and I expect the BPA as well is trying its hardest to lend weight to try to get the Government to reconsider the clamping ban. I bet there's LOTS going on behind the scenes so any contact from motorists who are pleased with the ban would be a good thing to balance the pressure.

anewman

Coupon-mad wrote: »

I am sure he will be open to listen to info about the scam of the BPA, Ranger Services, tickets not being 'fines' et al as he clearly doesn't think much of the PPC industry. He just needs a bit more info to really get it - and now's the time for us to tell him (before the Freedom Bill).

Would recommend anyone writing to him to clarify the legal reasoning behind them being an unenforceable invoice as opposed to a fine (he may be inclined to ignore an unreasoned statement). My understanding is something like one private party cannot penalise another and can only claim for actual losses, which in the case of a free car park are none, and in any case the PPC does not own the land so has no losses to complain of. Probably more to expand on than that, actual references to case law and such forth would be good.

Coupon-mad

Firstly, (as an aside really) I was having a look at Parking review (Transport Extra) and found out that the BPA threw PCS out of their approved operator scheme this week.

They are obviously trying to clean up their list of AOs to try to impress the Government.

PCS are the chancers who clamped a Policewoman's car last year and then her colleague tried to cut the clamp chain off with bolt-cutters. He failed and in the end the BiB actually paid the scum £200 of tax-payers' money!

Anyway a bit more Google searching found this interesting result about the scandal of the DVLA selling details to PPCs:

http://www.touringandtenting.com/forums/index.php?/topic/15062-your-details-are-sold-to-car-park-extortionists/

Interesting for 2 reasons I thought:

1. It was dated 2005 so the same things were being said years ago and sweet nothing was done (I know most of us already know that - but it's shocking to think how much money has been extorted over the years, unchecked), and

2. Norman Baker was quoted in the article as saying this (remember, this was in 2005):
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Mr Baker said: "A private company should not be allowed to obtain information about private individuals from the State. When people provide information to the Government, they do not do so on the basis that someone is going to make a profit from it.
QUOTE

Might be a good idea for those of us planning to email Mr Baker (Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State for Transport) to quote Mr Baker's words to him and applaud them.

Hope he still feels the same way, let's encourage that view! :T

trisontana

This is some of that article. To read the rest you have to have a subscription:-

The British Parking Association (BPA) has expelled one of its members, Parking Control Services (PCS), from its Approved Operator Scheme (AOS). PCS?had breached the AOS code of professional conduct, said BPA?chief executive Patrick Troy.

At a meeting of the 25 members of the BPA Council on 23 September, “considerably more than the two-thirds required voted in favour of the expulsion of PCS,”............

peter_the_piper

trisontana wrote: »

This is some of that article. To read the rest you have to have a subscription:-

The British Parking Association (BPA) has expelled one of its members, Parking Control Services (PCS), from its Approved Operator Scheme (AOS). PCS?had breached the AOS code of professional conduct, said BPA?chief executive Patrick Troy.

At a meeting of the 25 members of the BPA Council on 23 September, “considerably more than the two-thirds required voted in favour of the expulsion of PCS,”............

Good Grief, the BPA seem to have actually grown some .....