Is my quote a good price?

missk_ensington

Alan_M wrote:

We're discussing legitimate businesses, if you want to use Mr Zobolofsky from the pub to come and work on your property, that's your free choice and you take the rsiks along with the saving and the tax fraud (oh did you realise that you were equally liable for the tax fraud as the person taking the money - no I didn't think so).

Other than that, you haven't even got a basic grasp of how a business operates so making broad generalisations on what you consider reasonable is not only an utter waste of time it's actually bordering on ignorance.

It is not fraud to pay someone in cash any more than it is fraud to pay for your McDonalds in cash. When did legislation come in that you had to pay your tradesman by cheque or something cos I'm not aware of it?

And it isn't Mr Zobolofsky from down the pub, I use fitters who work for local businsses, as well as big businesses. My window fitter works for Everest as his "main job" and my gas fitter works for British Gas, but wants to make extra money outside his 9-5 hours.

Think you should straighten your facts. I know exactly how a business operates since having my own in Property Development.

Skiduck

missk_ensington wrote:

It is not fraud to pay someone in cash any more than it is fraud to pay for your McDonalds in cash. When did legislation come in that you had to pay your tradesman by cheque or something cos I'm not aware of it?

And it isn't Mr Zobolofsky from down the pub, I use fitters who work for local businsses, as well as big businesses. My window fitter works for Everest as his "main job" and my gas fitter works for British Gas, but wants to make extra money outside his 9-5 hours.

Think you should straighten your facts. I know exactly how a business operates since having my own in Property Development.

We have been offered "cash in hand" many times, to which we politely refuse - some house holders are as bad as the rogue traders they try to avoid.

missk_ensington

jason_s wrote:

I think....no,i know if you offered a spreader £100 a day to work for you,that he would laugh at you and tell you not to take the p***.And also for you infomation,i never get someone else to do my work.All the work i do is carried out by myself.And another thing my van is not on HP,its bought and paid for.It maybe a bit old,but its reliable.So please missk_ensington,do me a favour and take your head from out of your backside and stop talking !!!!!!.

We shall agree to disagree, but the basic facts are that I've renovated umpteen properties in dire conditions with 3-4 bedrooms for under 10k thus enhancing profits. My current house was bought for £92k have only spent £6,000 and have been valued at £130k. For my 6k Ive had central heating installed, new kitchen, new bathroom, tiling, decorating, carets, laminate floor supplied and fitted.... plus many more things.

As far as I'm concerned my own proof that you can get work done at this price and have quality work, is more convincing that your supposition.

missk_ensington

Skiduck wrote:

We have been offered "cash in hand" many times, to which we politely refuse - some house holders are as bad as the rogue traders they try to avoid.

You are within the minority, I'm not saying unanimously that every tradesman will take cash in hand, but the majority certainly do!

Don't see how paying cash makes the householder as bad as rogue traders?? Rogue Traders insinuates tradesman who bodge jobs, take on work they are not qualified to do, create problems that aren't pre-existing and overcharge.

Im struggling to see the correlation!

Edinburghlass_2

I'm also struggling to see how your experiences in renovating houses has now become a property business, I thought that was your mother

Personally I like to know the background of any tradesman I employ in my home, I want to know they have insurance should any problems arise and especially if its a gas or electric installation.

They can spend every day working with British Gas but that doesn't cover my house should they botch the job.

I use local and preferrably recommended and trained tradesmen

Skiduck

missk_ensington wrote:

You are within the minority, I'm not saying unanimously that every tradesman will take cash in hand, but the majority certainly do!

Don't see how paying cash makes the householder as bad as rogue traders?? Rogue Traders insinuates tradesman who bodge jobs, take on work they are not qualified to do, create problems that aren't pre-existing and overcharge.

Im struggling to see the correlation!

Illegal contracts of employment include:-

contracts designed to defraud the HM Revenue and Customs and the DWP (Department for Work & Pensions) by not paying tax and/or national insurance
contracts mainly for immoral or illegal acts, for example, procuring prostitutes or unauthorised selling of controlled drugs
contracts prohibited by law, for example, work in breach of immigration rules

anyone who has the ethos of instigating contracts through "cash in hand" directly encorage an underground economy, one which is not regulated by any tax , health and safety laws or any working practices. I can clearly see the corrolation between householders wanting to save a few pound, and have a cheap job done, and rogue traders out to earn a quick buck.

missk_ensington

Edinburghlass wrote:

I'm also struggling to see how your experiences in renovating houses has now become a property business, I thought that was your mother

I worked for my Mum for 2 years so obviously gained some experience there, I was overseeing the work more often than not although obviously major decision came from her.

Since then I've Project Managed several properties albeit more of an interest that a career up to now, but at the moment it is very hectic, I have 3 properties on the books not including my own in November to be cleared for Christmas. This is my business in which I refer to.

Many local businesses/Self employed tilers/elecs/painters etc etc aren't insured anyway!

missk_ensington

How dare you suggest I would be paying cash to try and defraud tht HMRC! I pay for everything in cash, don't even know where my cheque book is! :rotfl:

I guess I ought to start paying for my beer in the loca with cards.cheques too in case I'm encouraging an underground economy!

Skiduck

missk_ensington wrote:

How dare you suggest I would be paying cash to try and defraud tht HMRC! I pay for everything in cash, don't even know where my cheque book is! :rotfl:

I guess I ought to start paying for my beer in the loca with cards.cheques too in case I'm encouraging an underground economy!

So I am assuming from that, that you have no idea what "cash in hand" means? or are you another one who knows too well what it means but when it comes to the crunch you will hold your hands up and say... "I didn't know they weren't going to declare these earnings, I'm just innocent here, oh dear Mr Judge, isn't he a horrible person trying to defraud the HMCE?"

missk_ensington

Skiduck - :rotfl: Got it in one! Well, in two.

Its survival of the fittest and I only make a lot of money from property when my costs are low. If Id spent £25,000 on renovations then £40,000 return isn't much for 6 months hard work. But when you've spent £8,000 for £40,000 profit it makes it all that more worthwhile!

I am not here to oversee or dictate how another utilises the money I have paid him for honest graft. Nor am I here to check the local news agent declares the money I spend on a paper in cash, or the local pub whether he decares to ££££'s cash every weekend that passes his bar, or whether the chip shop declared mt £3.50 on fish and chips.