1 yr offsick now for dismissal. urgent help pls.

a_p_p_l_e

i must admit that i did not chose the words properly and sounded sharp on my posts whilst trying to express what i wanted. it has been a very upsetting moment for me... i am trying my best to absorb and understand all the input you have left for me. afterall, thats why i am here. open for everything. this site is one of my 'lifeline'

a_p_p_l_e

Zazen999 wrote: »

Go back to your union and ask for a meeting with another rep.

At that meeting; you need to discuss HOW you get answers to the following:

What experience or skills would you have needed in order to secure that role that you were turned down for?

What experience or skills would you need to secure a position in any of the roles [and list them] that are currently being recruited for?

What are the forms that you have signed, and what do they mean?

Would it be possible to be seconded onto another role, and to come back to your old role in [say] a year's time?

How does the redeployment policy work in your institution, and how would you be able to transfer to another role; is there anything that you could do to secure any other role within the organisation?

What other support could the union give, and how do you access that support?

How many other people are in this situation, and are the union dealing with the issue at a higher level with HR; or on a one-to-one basis, and if the latter, is there another way of doing this?


Don't whine, winge or moan - take control and act professionally and demand answers - after all - you have paid the dues and you should demand that they support you.

thanks Zazen999.

i will try to do these. your input help me in such way of trying to figure out where i am at the moment... and thank you. you were not put off by my sharp posts.

a_p_p_l_e

i am having trouble trying to change rep as everyone is on leave. the person that i spoke with regarding this, said he will have to speak to someone higher before he can give me answer then went on leave without leaving any message.

i tried asking my rep for second opinion but was replied with, what for?? it seems to me that redeployment is out of the question now and will have to focus with what to file against them (work) - grievances as rep said.

i dont want it to end in hearing. i just want my job back.

Zazen999

a_p_p_l_e wrote: »

i am having trouble trying to change rep as everyone is on leave. the person that i spoke with regarding this, said he will have to speak to someone higher before he can give me answer then went on leave without leaving any message.

i tried asking my rep for second opinion but was replied with, what for?? it seems to me that redeployment is out of the question now and will have to focus with what to file against them (work) - grievances as rep said.

i dont want it to end in hearing. i just want my job back.

Because you have paid for it through your union subs and you are demanding it!

System

You said that HR stated that there were no suitable jobs but you found some advertised? You then say that they will involve less lifting than your current role. If your GP stated NO lifting then HR are probably aware that these jobs will involve lifting hence their reply.

Zazen999

!!!!!! wrote: »

You said that HR stated that there were no suitable jobs but you found some advertised? You then say that they will involve less lifting than your current role. If your GP stated NO lifting then HR are probably aware that these jobs will involve lifting hence their reply.

No offence to HR but they very rarely really know what's actually involved in a role....They just see the paperwork. And if there is a little, then there could be ways round it like sack barrows etc etc etc....

a_p_p_l_e

!!!!!! wrote: »

You said that HR stated that there were no suitable jobs but you found some advertised? You then say that they will involve less lifting than your current role. If your GP stated NO lifting then HR are probably aware that these jobs will involve lifting hence their reply.

Zazen999 wrote: »

No offence to HR but they very rarely really know what's actually involved in a role....They just see the paperwork. And if there is a little, then there could be ways round it like sack barrows etc etc etc....

the job that i found is the same job that HR said will be suitable for me. so i feel that they are not doing what they are ought to... which lead me to think that they are not giving me the help and support that i should be getting.

SarEl

a_p_p_l_e wrote: »

the job that i found is the same job that HR said will be suitable for me. so i feel that they are not doing what they are ought to... which lead me to think that they are not giving me the help and support that i should be getting.

Redeployment, in any circumstances and in any organisation, is not a one way street. It is just as much your responsibility to bring to their attention jobs that you think might be suitable as it is their's to look for them. There will very likely be a large group of people in redeployment for all sorts of reasons, some of whom will have higher priority than you, also for all sorts of reasons. You mentioned the DDA earlier - but the DDA does not apply in cases of back pain (it is specifically excluded). People who are covered by the DDA, or are returning from maternity leave where a job has disappeared during that time, for example, must by law be found alternative jobs were they exist. You are not in this category.

Nor is it unreasonable to expect redeployment to be based on competitve interview - again this is common practice, especially if there are a lot of people looking to be redeployed. Normally the redeployee has an advantage over extrenal candidates (if there were any) because the interviewers are often required to appoint redeployees if they are suitable for the job. But not if they don't think they are suitable.

A better approach might be to ensure that you check all the vacancies bulletins and identify any jobs that you think might be suitable. Discuss each one with HR to get their view - or even, discuss this with the department concerned to see how well they think you would fit in to their needs given your back problem. If you did the latter you could also find time to talk to them about what they do and any developments that you might be out of date with - giving you an opportunity to reserach these before the interview. Since you aren't in work you have a lot of time to do this.

Ask for feedback on any interviews you have to see if there are specific points that you could have improved upon, so that you know what you might need to do for future interviews. Be realistic about your limitations - if your back is not going to improve, or improve significantly, you need to understand that it is neither in their interest not yours to place you in employment that puts you at further risk. If you are clear about your limitations then it is easier for them to have an honest discussion with you about how ell you would fit in to the physical requirements of the job.

Above all - try not to sound quite so desperate! I know that this must be quite a daunting prospect, but people (interviewers) can pick up on such feelings. If they get the impression that your agenda is to obtain a job - any job - then you will not come across as interested in them or the work that they do. Then, compared to another candidate who is interested or passionate about the work, you will come a poor second. You need to be giving the impression that you are motivated and keen to work with them, enthusiastic about what they do, and that this would be an ideal job choice for you even if you hadn't hurt your back - if it comes across in any way that you think you are owed a job because of your injury or that you are only applying because of the fact that you can't go back to your usual job, you will probably not be thetype of person they are looking for.